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Note how it starts in the bass side of the mahogany and follows one continuous tunnel tru al the lower and upper body and ends in a big chamber on what should be the upper wing. Interesting to say the least.
 

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Note how it starts in the bass side of the mahogany and follows one continuous tunnel tru al the lower and upper body and ends in a big chamber on what should be the upper wing. Interesting to say the least.

Yeah, I was just thinking about the direction of travel, though. Seems like it might be the other way around, terminating at the tone block, where the resonance is conveyed to the pickups, right? Just a guess.

Anyway, looks like a quadrant of a labyrinth. Very cool.
 

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Can I store my hootch for the gigs in there...the boss has a 'no drinks on the bandstand' policy.

This is VERY cool...and very Light.

Thanks BP...I look forward to the next wave of news..this is so cool
 

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I'll find out what happened to the pics...but in the mean time

This is a teaser shot for the guitar side but we are offering it on the anniversary model


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THere is Basswood, then the tone block (mahog) and the semi hollow but done in a special chamber pattern that I dont understand but it looks cool to the engineers....... Yes a semi hollow is on e of the tidbits being offered in this new machine

Awesome, I think this will be the future of Basses & Guitars from EB, it'll keep the weight down and still keep that tone.
My First BFR Bass with that tone Block is Just AMAZING, at first I was thinking HM, Now Having one I'm dead Sold, It's just an amazing idea that works.
 

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THe tone block is a result of a quest for controlled resonance., The blending of tonewoods sounds like voodoo doodoo but is the real deal.

NOw on to the speculation of the direction of the chamber it is not a factor as the note is usually done by the time it could travel either direction. Drew can elaborate but I think that it is a cool idea for both tone, weight, and structural integrity

Dave the BFR basses have been really slow to catch on the guitarists has really gone for them. THe bass customer is just not that impressed with the figured wood and higher ticket. The secret is that there is really a tonal advantage.
 

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Well It is a very noticble difference, You don't have to listen and go yeah I think i hear it, you hear it, It's that amazing. See Namm is really tough due to volume reasons, I heard it there but it was just to hard to really tell, But on your gig with a full rig man it's there.
I think most guys it'll take buying that first one and then it'll snow ball after that. Congrats on all your guys hard work, the new Stuff looks and sounds amazing.
Thanks for keeping us going.
 

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So.....the chambered body....

The concept here was a Waveguide (nicely done, adouglas). The maze you see, in theory, is to focus the vibrations of the body (mainly at the bridge), and amplify them through the folded pathway to where a sound hold could be. This controls the resonant frequencies of the body. On top of all of this, we are also trying to control the weight and balance of the instrument.

We are working on versions 2 and 3 of this concept, as well as other styles of chambers to compare and contrast the sonic benefits.

There are many variables when prototyping such materials and geometry, but with every proto, we come closer to what gives the instrument the highest highs, the lowest lows, and the "middliest" mids! ;)
 

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Drew ROCKS ;)

So.....the chambered body....

The concept here was a Waveguide (nicely done, adouglas). The maze you see, in theory, is to focus the vibrations of the body (mainly at the bridge), and amplify them through the folded pathway to where a sound hold could be. This controls the resonant frequencies of the body. On top of all of this, we are also trying to control the weight and balance of the instrument.

We are working on versions 2 and 3 of this concept, as well as other styles of chambers to compare and contrast the sonic benefits.

There are many variables when prototyping such materials and geometry, but with every proto, we come closer to what gives the instrument the highest highs, the lowest lows, and the "middliest" mids! ;)

DREW MAN COOL!!!!!!!!! You know me I love the technical stuff man. Hey when you modeled it, did you use a series of points and then drive a spline thru it man or was it just a really complex series of sketches?? :D

Glenn |B)
 

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So.....the chambered body....

The concept here was a Waveguide (nicely done, adouglas). The maze you see, in theory, is to focus the vibrations of the body (mainly at the bridge), and amplify them through the folded pathway to where a sound hold could be. This controls the resonant frequencies of the body. On top of all of this, we are also trying to control the weight and balance of the instrument.

You mean I was actually correct?

<billted>Woah.</billted>

That makes perfect sense now that you've clued us in to what the input and output of the waveguide would be. A sealed pathway wouldn't really do anything except make the instrument lighter, if my understanding of how this works is correct.

I was telling somebody about this (and it's really, really freakin' cool), and he was having a hard time wrapping his head around the idea of the waveguide. So I came up with this image... Please correct me if I'm wrong here.

Imagine that you take a horn, like a cheerleader's speaking trumpet or one of those funky victrola horns, and put the small end against something that vibrates, like the top of a guitar. (Thanks to your explanation, we now know that the vibrating part is the bridge.)

What comes out of the other end of the horn is much louder. And, if you change the shape and/or length of the horn, you can tune it so that the tone changes too.

You can fold the horn up to make it smaller and still get the same effect. Which is exactly why brass instruments look like piles of spaghetti. They're folded horns. If you took a trumpet and made it a straight horn, it would be several feet long.

That's the idea behind a waveguide as I understand it. So....the length and cross-section of the tunnel, and how that changes over its length, will govern what frequencies get reinforced.

For an electric instrument....hmm... if we're reinforcing certain frequencies, that would logically make the whole instrument resonate differently, which would in turn be captured by the pickup...and there you have your basic recipe for sonic bliss.

Awesome.
 

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I have a serious question for Mr. Sterling Ball, and the question is, what is the deadline you gave yourself to produce this new marvellous product? Meaning when are we likely to see them / try them / buy them in the shops?

Many thanks in advance for your reply.
 
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