ScoobySteve
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EBMM endorses one shredder. Petrucci, and most don't call him a "shredder" in the traditional sense. I think thats some bad stereotyping if you ask me.
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EBMM endorses one shredder. Petrucci, and most don't call him a "shredder" in the traditional sense. I think thats some bad stereotyping if you ask me.
marduke
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the only thing ive heard from other guitarists about EBMM guitars is about the headstocks... they say its too small for their liking, and thats the only reason they wont buy one... lol pretty lame excuse, because they all love playing my EBMM's.....
ScoobySteve
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What the? I don't know about anyone else but smaller size and light weight is a good thing. You trust airport cargo to treat your guitar with love and respect?
Take that OHSC as carry on!
dwells
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when ur 6 foot + these guitars look tiny!!! but i dont care
ScoobySteve
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I'm 6'3 so yeah I know what you mean. Especially those Lukes. But that isn't a bad thing either.
Brian G
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Some excellent comments and insights expressed here.
My personal, entirely self-interest comment is that I love the Music Man's I've owned (ASS w/90's & Luke), but I've progressively realized that I'm drawn to vintage-voiced guitars. Very low-output pickups with that special "something" on instruments that suit that delivery.
That articulate, dry, woody tone from the best examples of old humbuckers, ditto for P-90's & strat-style SC's. I'm just as happy to consider EBMM for new guitars as any other brand, but there just isn't that much to draw from the current models, for my interests. I have & love an ASS P90. Probably an AL would fit the bill, but I would have a bias against modern-voiced pickups, and I already own a very fine CS Strat, so it would be a tough expense to justify.
So yes, I associate some of the models with modern-voiced, higher output tones that aren't my particular interest. Like what I've heard of the 25th Anniversary, but I'd want to change to specific pickups, and not sure if it would be as good a combination as some other choices, for which these pickups are probably voiced. (But those "other choices" are known for poor quality control.)
IMO, new EBMM's are very good value, given the construction quality, very good stock pickups & electronics, etc. Unlike their larger competitors, I wouldn't fear ordering a particular model without playing it. But they don't offer choices for players who want different scale, neck to body structure, beefier necks, and so on. If the company wanted to, I'm sure they would.
My personal, entirely self-interest comment is that I love the Music Man's I've owned (ASS w/90's & Luke), but I've progressively realized that I'm drawn to vintage-voiced guitars. Very low-output pickups with that special "something" on instruments that suit that delivery.
That articulate, dry, woody tone from the best examples of old humbuckers, ditto for P-90's & strat-style SC's. I'm just as happy to consider EBMM for new guitars as any other brand, but there just isn't that much to draw from the current models, for my interests. I have & love an ASS P90. Probably an AL would fit the bill, but I would have a bias against modern-voiced pickups, and I already own a very fine CS Strat, so it would be a tough expense to justify.
So yes, I associate some of the models with modern-voiced, higher output tones that aren't my particular interest. Like what I've heard of the 25th Anniversary, but I'd want to change to specific pickups, and not sure if it would be as good a combination as some other choices, for which these pickups are probably voiced. (But those "other choices" are known for poor quality control.)
IMO, new EBMM's are very good value, given the construction quality, very good stock pickups & electronics, etc. Unlike their larger competitors, I wouldn't fear ordering a particular model without playing it. But they don't offer choices for players who want different scale, neck to body structure, beefier necks, and so on. If the company wanted to, I'm sure they would.
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paranoid70
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To be honest, most 'outsiders' look very favorably on Music Man guitars and basses. I really never hear people say things like over-rated or other more nasty comments.
On the flip side, I do hear ALOT of people who don't like Ernie Ball strings. I hear a lot of 'they sound dead after a day or two'. I can't say I agree as I have been playing EB strings long before I ever picked up a Music Man. Yeah, the strings get much more negative reaction than the guitars/basses.
On the flip side, I do hear ALOT of people who don't like Ernie Ball strings. I hear a lot of 'they sound dead after a day or two'. I can't say I agree as I have been playing EB strings long before I ever picked up a Music Man. Yeah, the strings get much more negative reaction than the guitars/basses.
bkrumme
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I hear that a lot, too. I was a D'Addario player for a long time and turned tons of guys on to D'Addario strings. Boy was I tooting the wrong horn...
Maybe it's the combination of guitar and strings that does it, but D'Addarios don't feel or sound right on my MM guitars. They are just plain better with what comes on them...
ScoobySteve
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I've been switching between Super Slinky's and the D'Addario XL's forever. It's when I started using RPS Slinks that I became an EB addict.
I still use Super Slinks on my Les Paul, but for my EBMM its going to be all RPS.
Oh wait, am I getting one? Hehehehhehehehehe
Big Poppa
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this is getting lame we have the biggest selling electric string by a large margin you will hear more people say everything due to the mumbers this is where you guys lose perspective
ScoobySteve
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Its easy for people to knock on the top seller, simply because its the top seller. Comes with the territory I suppose. Doesn't bother me though, I've been using Super Slinky's forever, and now am using RPS's exclusively.
I don't know, not using a superior product because its the top seller and its "cool" to be a part of a counter culture seems really silly to me.
Exactly.
Im making up numbers here, but when you sell 3 million people are buying packs of strings, youre gonna hear a lot more about them then the few thousand people who buy an 'off'brand of strings.
Anyways, I have just gotten into MM guitars, and heard about them before, but never really paid attention. Im the type of guitarist who is perfectly happy with his $300 epiphone flying V. Nothing special, but it feels nice, looks nice, and I get amazing tone with it.
Lately ive been thinking of getting a 7-string. Lots of brands to choose from, and ive been going through tons of them. Schecter, Ibanez, Deans, and lots of the models. None of them really offered the right feel I was looking for, or the right components I wanted.
Thats when I remembered John Petrucci using 7-strings and wondered what brand he used, which is where I got here. To me, its the only 7-string worth it. Specially when buying new, I might as well go all out for the first time in my life on a guitar.
But really I didnt have any huge thoughts on them. I knew they were good (Good enough for John, good enough for me. lol), and different from what I always see. It was just time to upgrade I guess.
Also, im not trying to copy John. Like if I went with Rusty Cooley's 7-string model. We have similar interests in music and playing, and everything his guitar is everything I want on a guitar. Though going custom would be awesome.
Guess I could do my initials as the 12th fret inlay sometime later down the road.
Just a thought, couldn't that logic also be applied to F and G guitars?
And the JP guitar absolutely does not have to be used to play DT type stuff anyway... I use two JP6s (a BFR and a standard) in a modern melodic alt-rock band, nothing even remotely resembling shredding in our sound.
Ryan
marduke
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*nods* same here, except i use mine in a church band, so even further away than you are from shredding.. lol but i do love playing DT at home.
DrKev
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Yes, and people always complain more than they praise, which bumps the numbers even further the wrong way.
I just don't understand how the bull**** is so prevalent. Like, EB don't actually have their own string factory in the US - it's all a big lie, the strings are made for them in China, by the same gang that make strings for Dean Markley and Martin, on old dead machines that D'Addario threw away in the seventies, right?
Seriously, I have actually heard this stuff!
If the worst comes to the worst, lets just say the EB are the Toto of the string world - the brand that people love to hate. But we know how good they really are. (Must go and see if Quincy Jones, George Benson and Miles Davis are listed on the back of the Slinky packaging...)
Good question. Maybe the whole vintage/mojo/legend/tradition crap has something to do with it. Maybe, I dunno.
Big Poppa
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guys this has got to get back on track.....what is happening is that my forum is being used to discuss factless innuendo.....
ScoobySteve
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Well back to the TS' original post which essentially inquires, "What causes a customer to choose EBMM and EB related gear over the competition."
Big question to pose, and I suppose it comes down to a unique perspective from the individual, but having already discussed guitars pretty in depth, why not take a crack at the strings? Since the "can of worms" so to speak has already been opened.
There are a string of reasons (no pun intended) and explanations such as brand loyalty, artist recognition and reputation, to explain why many use EB strings. However can any of you guys offer any reasons why EB strings are more favorable on specific, tangible and empirical reasons?
Like the TS stated, an "objective view" of the product. So rather than asserting an opinion, does anyone care to state on a factual and empirical basis why they would choose EB strings? Or if you care to revert back to the original premise, EBMM guitars.
Big question to pose, and I suppose it comes down to a unique perspective from the individual, but having already discussed guitars pretty in depth, why not take a crack at the strings? Since the "can of worms" so to speak has already been opened.
There are a string of reasons (no pun intended) and explanations such as brand loyalty, artist recognition and reputation, to explain why many use EB strings. However can any of you guys offer any reasons why EB strings are more favorable on specific, tangible and empirical reasons?
Like the TS stated, an "objective view" of the product. So rather than asserting an opinion, does anyone care to state on a factual and empirical basis why they would choose EB strings? Or if you care to revert back to the original premise, EBMM guitars.
DrKev
Moderator
Best sounding strings, quality is high and very consistent, great customer service, and for me it's important that it's a "good" company that gives a lot to the world around it. It's important to me that I'm proud to be a customer, and I most certainly am!
Slingy
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I think most people know very little about these guitars, but almost everyone knows about MM basses.
