silo spec = strat killer

[RocketRalf]

I would say the Strat is the NASCAR and the SS is more of a german touring car. The NASCAR still uses a carburetor but both are probably a pleasure to drive. i have not driven any of those... yet

 

[Butch Snyder]

Hey Butch, what do we get to see next???
I mean I feel similar (I think). The Morse is great but I also want a guitar for Strat tones ... I use the AL. I think you need TWO guitars. Maybe a silo Spec?!?

Right now, I use my Tele (3-pickup) for more genuine Strat tones. I would really lie to myself with an actual HSS guitar...

Back to topic - Remember though, the amp and effects play a major factor. Not to take anything away from the guitar, I think EBMM are the best around, but you can have a BFR EBMM and play it through a Gorilla amp and it'll sound like total crap. Take a $100 JCPenney Strat copy and play it through Steve Morse's, Luke's, John Petrucci's, etc rig and it'll sound leaps and bounds better than the BFR through the Gorilla.

It looks like the lead player was playing through a Fender Hot Rod amp. Not the best, but definitely not the worst. Of course, being a really great player usually plays a factor too....

 

[whitestrat]

Is it really like this? Take two strats and you get three different kind of sounds. There are so much pickup-sets, woods, guitar builders etc on the market, so can you really define that typical strat tone? I don´t think so. Even in Fenders shop you can get a lot of different strat-types, you cannot say, this is the strat sound.

Yes you can... You CAN tell the difference when you A/B. It's slight, but it's there. I had 2 guitars. A Silo Spec SSS and a strat. Both were loaded with Fender John Mayer Big Dipper Pups. No matter what Silo Spec I put them in (I have 3), I could not get the same sound as the Strat (I have 2). I simply attribute it to a matter of physics. The strat is a generally larger guitar. No doubt about that. Nevermind the 2 point trem vs the 6 bolt trem. Nevermind the thicker RW board that EBMM uses. The sizes of the guitars already differ. This difference gives you different resonant frequencies for both guitars. Tone will be already different.

I've always found the strat to be looser, bigger, and more bassy compared to the Silo spec with the same pups. The Silo Spec will always be tighter, more focused, and always (to me) feels more rigid than a strat. So, like I said earlier, both are different. The Silo Spec will never replace a strat for me, and vice versa. Thankfully, I seem to prefer my Silo Spec for most things.

Just remember, in one of my previous posts, I chose a Candy Red Silo Spec over a Suhr Pro Series.

 

[whitestrat]

The Silo is race car. Rob says NASCAR, but I see a bit more compact and maneuverable sports car.

Like a Lotus Exige?

 

[luv]

I believe the reference was to "NASA" not "NASCAR".......

One group consists of scientists that design rockets that travel thru space.....the other consists of rednecks that design cars that turn left really well. Funny thing is, they both have a lot of money.

with those groups as a point of reference, I put the Strat in the NASCAR family and the Silo Special in the NASA family.

 

[skerwo]

Yes you can... You CAN tell the difference when you A/B. It's slight, but it's there. I had 2 guitars. A Silo Spec SSS and a strat. Both were loaded with Fender John Mayer Big Dipper Pups. No matter what Silo Spec I put them in (I have 3), I could not get the same sound as the Strat (I have 2). I simply attribute it to a matter of physics. The strat is a generally larger guitar. No doubt about that. Nevermind the 2 point trem vs the 6 bolt trem. Nevermind the thicker RW board that EBMM uses. The sizes of the guitars already differ. This difference gives you different resonant frequencies for both guitars. Tone will be already different.

I've always found the strat to be looser, bigger, and more bassy compared to the Silo spec with the same pups. The Silo Spec will always be tighter, more focused, and always (to me) feels more rigid than a strat. So, like I said earlier, both are different. The Silo Spec will never replace a strat for me, and vice versa. Thankfully, I seem to prefer my Silo Spec for most things.

Just remember, in one of my previous posts, I chose a Candy Red Silo Spec over a Suhr Pro Series.

I agree with that. Put the same pups in two different guitars and you get two results in most cases, also when you put them in another strat. My actual strat is loaded with the Fender CS Fat 50s. I heard them in a lot of different strats, and also with the same specs (alder body, mapleneck, 6-point-trem) like mine, they sound almost the same, but not totally. I´m sure that this also will be when I put the pups of my Silo spec in another Silo spec.

It´s the overall package you get from a Silo spec why I say it´s the "better" strat. And definitely it sounds strat-like.

Oh, and I´m very glad that you choosed the Candy Red Silo Spec . I would have done the same .


Rainer

 

[candid_x]

I believe the reference was to "NASA" not "NASCAR".......

One group consists of scientists that design rockets that travel thru space.....the other consists of rednecks that design cars that turn left really well. Funny thing is, they both have a lot of money.

with those groups as a point of reference, I put the Strat in the NASCAR family and the Silo Special in the NASA family.

Oh you're right, he did! lol

 

[whitestrat]

My actual strat is loaded with the Fender CS Fat 50s. I heard them in a lot of different strats, and also with the same specs (alder body, mapleneck, 6-point-trem) like mine, they sound almost the same, but not totally. I´m sure that this also will be when I put the pups of my Silo spec in another Silo spec.

But put the Fat 50s in a Silo spec, and you get a different animal altogether, no?

P.S, I LIKE the fat 50s! They're in my strat too!

 

[candid_x]

I'd use the word "refined" over "better". Whether that's a good thing or not is subjective.

I've had SSS and HSS Silo Special pickups in 3 guitars (2 of them silos), and they sounded different in each. In one silo, very warm and fat, and in another sorta clear and, frankly, kinda bland (which happens with any brand). I tried Fralins in it, and they were nice. But with my other Silo as a benchmark, it sat in the case with the fralins. I tried to mod it into that "clanky" Strat zone, but it simply was too refined to do that. It's not so easy to make a lady a ho.

 

[skerwo]

But put the Fat 50s in a Silo spec, and you get a different animal altogether, no?

P.S, I LIKE the fat 50s! They're in my strat too!

I´m sure I´m gonna change the stock pups of my Silo. But not with the Fat 50s. They´re fantastic clean/crunch pups but not for more drive. I found some very good pups with a beefy bridge pu, the classical in between positions and a very round neck pu from a german guitarbuilder. I think they will be more versatile. Sometimes I´m a lazy guy and I don´t like changing the guitar within a gig . So the Silo is my no.1 for 80 % at the time. I hope it will reach the 100 % with the new pups. Especially the new bridge pu should give me the rest. More beefy, but with the dynamics of a singlecoil.

 

[luv]

I'd use the word "refined" over "better".

It's not so easy to make a lady a ho.

Bruce.....well said and quite funny!

You can put some slutty makeup on her, but she's still going to be the same woman.

 

[candid_x]

It's all good. The guy I traded with is now turned on to Silos. Gotta share the good stuff.

 

[Dante]

i think pickup choices and wood choices are rather important but Strat players are usually affected by guitar psychology the most. i have literally met Noone who plays strats and who will give credit to any double cut which isn't an acurate copy of a strat. sometimes, guitars worse than MMs rated higher based on looks. i know a dude who stocks 50% strats, and the rest cheapos. his heroes are clapton hendrix and gilmour. and his reissue strat resounded better than my old 20th.

to me, it's all in the hands, and those are connected to the brain. only when someone approaches a MM free of preconceptions can all the guitar's potential be unlocked.

the hands bit explains why i sold a JP6 once, cuz it didn't kick enough thrash about; and ended up buying another one, to rediscover that it indeed kicks plenty thrash!

 

[candid_x]

Strat players are usually affected by guitar psychology the most. i have literally met Noone who plays strats and who will give credit to any double cut which isn't an acurate copy of a strat.

Wow, no one? I know at least two on this very forum, including myself. And you think Fender owners are the only elitist group? I think every niche group has a bit of elitism goin' on. That's why it warms my heart that BP acknowledges and appreciates brands beside his own. It gives me more respect for him and the MM brand.

 

[robelinda2]

Wow, no one? I know at least two on this very forum, including myself. And you think Fender owners are the only elitist group? I think every niche group has a bit of elitism goin' on. That's why it warms my heart that BP acknowledges and appreciates brands beside his own. It gives me more respect for him and the MM brand.

Good post Bruce. I play AL's, Super Sports, Silo Specials- as well as my strats, a tele, and a PRS. All have different purposes especially in the studio and in my various bands. I have to say though EBMM's are the BEST build quality out there, just stunning really, PRS too are really really well made. I like the Silo Special SSS, as well as my strats. Different vibes, similar tones. There's a difference between a single coil guitar, and a strat.

 

[whitestrat]

i have literally met Noone who plays strats and who will give credit to any double cut which isn't an acurate copy of a strat. sometimes, guitars worse than MMs rated higher based on looks.

Well, you haven't met me... Not in person, that is... heh.

But that's a little narrow-minded, don't you think? Double cuts are a very wide varying group. From PRSs to SGs to Strats to even that nice Mark Knopfler Pensa Suhr carve top (hell, even an ES335 counts!). Even RGs are double cuts. Many of these were improvements over the old strat idea. But that's what the market is about. Options... to say the strat is the final authority is a bit elitist, I think... That's like saying only Nike makes shoes, while the rest make footwear.

i've commissioned a custom job that's taking almost a year to make. and it's 100% hand built. (I had to choose which planks of wood I wanted to begin with!) Costs quite a bit more than the price of a BFR, and has 0.01% of the name. At the end of the day, this is a guitar built for ME. and while it's a double cut, it's more of a PRS Cu22/'59 LP hybrid. When it's finished (somewhere around Sept), I'd like any Lester elitist to come and tell me they can still out tone me just because I'm not playing a Gibson.