phatduckk
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id go w/ a 25th Annv. or a 20th Anniv. Silhouette.
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ScoobySteve
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I agree with the sentiments here. No EBMM is a Strat killer/clone or LP killer/clone. Both the Strat and the LP have innovated their own distinct sound, and have their own niche in the sonic department.
However, when it comes to different alternatives I would recommend the 20th, 25th, or BFR JP.
I think the 25th or BFR JP will get you closest to that thick and warm tone. It's not the same, but close, and a tone I definitely prefer.
However, when it comes to different alternatives I would recommend the 20th, 25th, or BFR JP.
I think the 25th or BFR JP will get you closest to that thick and warm tone. It's not the same, but close, and a tone I definitely prefer.
Dante
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sorry guys but you managed to piss me off...
how the hell would an alder guitar with maple neck/board and 25.5" scale sound ANY FRIGGIN THING like a les paul?
i've owned 2 20th anniversary silos. they are WAY too sweet around mids and have nowhere near the necessary "snort" for a les paul. the pickups are humbuckers but not really nasal or thumpy. much too defined.
i have never played a 25th and i will be blunt, most people around here haven't either. it's just the specullation inspired by a maple topped guitar with chrome covered pickups. equally important is, have you (original poster) ever played a les paul; and, regardless of how it sounds, what do you expect it to sound like?
and i fervently disagree with anyone who believes that pickups make the guitar. string response makes the guitar. pickups are just like goggles, it changes what you're hearing at a given time, but even if the color's different, it's the same view.
the only guitar with a mahog neck is a BFR jp6. it has however, a tremolo. and the saddles thereof are not going to snag the string as tightly as a tuneomatic bridge(it still has attack but harder pick attacks sound different). a 25th or BFR axis might also have some warmth due to the mahog block. their sustain will be quite good with a hard tail (something important to a LP user).
just be sure to go out and test as many of these guitars as you can, and if possible, tune the EBMMs to Eb while testing. this will improve the resonance, somewhat emulating the shorter scale of the les paul.
/rant off. until next time.
how the hell would an alder guitar with maple neck/board and 25.5" scale sound ANY FRIGGIN THING like a les paul?
i've owned 2 20th anniversary silos. they are WAY too sweet around mids and have nowhere near the necessary "snort" for a les paul. the pickups are humbuckers but not really nasal or thumpy. much too defined.
i have never played a 25th and i will be blunt, most people around here haven't either. it's just the specullation inspired by a maple topped guitar with chrome covered pickups. equally important is, have you (original poster) ever played a les paul; and, regardless of how it sounds, what do you expect it to sound like?
and i fervently disagree with anyone who believes that pickups make the guitar. string response makes the guitar. pickups are just like goggles, it changes what you're hearing at a given time, but even if the color's different, it's the same view.
the only guitar with a mahog neck is a BFR jp6. it has however, a tremolo. and the saddles thereof are not going to snag the string as tightly as a tuneomatic bridge(it still has attack but harder pick attacks sound different). a 25th or BFR axis might also have some warmth due to the mahog block. their sustain will be quite good with a hard tail (something important to a LP user).
just be sure to go out and test as many of these guitars as you can, and if possible, tune the EBMMs to Eb while testing. this will improve the resonance, somewhat emulating the shorter scale of the les paul.
/rant off. until next time.
robelinda2
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I had a 20th silo, it was nothing like a LP and I didnt want it to be. I dont think people are buying EBMM as a way of attaining a better copy of an already existing guitar, they are their own animals.
Dante
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i think if you want the pluses of a LP, you have to stop and think about the downsides too.
robelinda2
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Yep, hardtail, RW board. That would kill. Ive actually done a gig with a 2nd guitarist who had a LP with P90's, and by fluke I was using my Super Sport- hardtail, MM90, RW board- it was a great great tone indeed, and really did sound better than the LP. However, the guy wasnt a terribly good player, so it was to compare fully.
bkrumme
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You mean like weight, build quality, and price?
guertzi
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Read before you rant
Let me just quote myself:
"last year I sold my 54 Reissue LP Standard.
I loved the tone very much but I just couldn't cope anymore with the ergonomics of that instrument, especially the baseball bat neck size and the absence of the body contour on the back."
In other words: I played my LP for almost ten years, so I guess that qualifies me to say "Yes, I have played a Les Paul and I know how it sounds".
As for my expectations in terms of sound, I quote myself again to keep it simple:
"I sometimes just have the need for that thick meaty wooden tone"
That sums it up for me.
Once again let me clarify: I am not looking for a Les Paul "blueprint" made by EBMM!!!
I want the craftmanship and convenience of an EBMM guitar with a tone that covers that area to some extent but I do neither suppose nor expect any EBMM model to sound exactly like a Les Paul, that would be totally stupid.
just be sure to go out and test as many of these guitars as you can, and if possible, tune the EBMMs to Eb while testing. this will improve the resonance, somewhat emulating the shorter scale of the les paul.
/rant off. until next time.
Well that is exactly my problem and the reason why I started this thread in the first place: It is extremely hard to find a store that carries a good amount of EBMM guitars here in Germany, so I counted on the "fellowship of the balls" to share their experience regarding this matter, so thanks again to all of you!
And also thank you Dante for your tip regarding the tuning, although I usually play in standard tuning, so tuning to Eb might falsify my findings too much.
Currently it seems that the GR (especially considering the mahogany body) would be worth a test run as well as a hard tail BFR Axis SS (if I can manage to find one over here).
The 25th might be a little out of my price range and the 20th Silo is only available on the second hand market, so I won't put these on the top of my list.
I will keep my eyes open and consider the valuable advice that you all gave (or will keep giving) me!
THX and rock on!
lenny
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sorry guys but you managed to piss me off...
how the hell would an alder guitar with maple neck/board and 25.5" scale sound ANY FRIGGIN THING like a les paul?
i've owned 2 20th anniversary silos. they are WAY too sweet around mids and have nowhere near the necessary "snort" for a les paul. the pickups are humbuckers but not really nasal or thumpy. much too defined.
i have never played a 25th and i will be blunt, most people around here haven't either. it's just the specullation inspired by a maple topped guitar with chrome covered pickups. equally important is, have you (original poster) ever played a les paul; and, regardless of how it sounds, what do you expect it to sound like?
and i fervently disagree with anyone who believes that pickups make the guitar. string response makes the guitar. pickups are just like goggles, it changes what you're hearing at a given time, but even if the color's different, it's the same view.
the only guitar with a mahog neck is a BFR jp6. it has however, a tremolo. and the saddles thereof are not going to snag the string as tightly as a tuneomatic bridge(it still has attack but harder pick attacks sound different). a 25th or BFR axis might also have some warmth due to the mahog block. their sustain will be quite good with a hard tail (something important to a LP user).
just be sure to go out and test as many of these guitars as you can, and if possible, tune the EBMMs to Eb while testing. this will improve the resonance, somewhat emulating the shorter scale of the les paul.
/rant off. until next time.
easy fella!....just people giving an opinion ....remember opinions are like A**holes ...everyone has one...dont get too excited when someone posts something you dont agree with ...hehehe just sayin!
Coffeemug
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I just read through the thread and wondered why nobody mentioned the Y2D...Tune-O-matic bridge, switch positions 1,2 and 5 and you're ready to rock!
GHWelles
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I have a 20th silo and a JP6 and a Luke BFR. The closest to an LP sound is the Luke BFR. Next is the JP6. To me the 20th Silo sounds nothing like an LP. It is much brighter in the upper midrange and highs, and is more articulate and focused. Go on you tube and listen to Pete DuBaldo's demo.
Hendog
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I am sitting here wondering why all of these very guitar savvy guys are saying that a SILO sounds anything like a Les Paul.
To the OP, I would have to say that the 25th is the answer. You need mahogany to get close. Also, the 25th has a pickup configuration that works.
To the OP, I would have to say that the 25th is the answer. You need mahogany to get close. Also, the 25th has a pickup configuration that works.
whitestrat
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Nothing more true man...
guertzi
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I really think you would like the GR for what you seek, getting to try one is the tough part, I was\am fortunate enough to have a killer dealer like Pete who sent me his to do a test run on, played it for a week and order one ASAP
Haha, yes, you're a lucky man!
Maybe Pete can send it to me as well
I really put some thoughts into the title of this thread - this is why I asked which EBMM had the most Les Paul like tone and not which EBMM sounds like a Les Paul.
To me, that makes a slight difference. If I am wrong here, please correct me and blame it on me not being a native speaker.
I do not want a Gibson sound just something leaning more towards this side tonewise.
Rock on...
lenny
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Your english is excellent ...you got some great answers ...some people just dont read.....and then they add to what they thought they read....hahaha....but with all the answers i know you will come to your decision ....dont forget about your amp, the other part of your equation..... you can dial it in to suit your needs for a beefier/thicker tone/sound ...peace bro!
guertzi
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Thanks Bro, I appreciate that!
You're right, there were some great answers and frankly I never thought about the Gold Roller before, so that instrument appeared on my radar just because of these answers!
And yes, I will tweak my amp a little but of course it won't do miracles.
Hey - maybe you know an amp with the most Les Paul like tone ? Hahaha, just kidding...
Have a great weekend!
bkrumme
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That would be a Marshall. You know, because all good guitar players play Les Pauls and Marshalls.
grumpyoldman
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Maybe, just maybe, what you are looking for is an opinion of others who have replaced their LPs with EBMMs, to see which one they use to cover material formerly done on the LP? If this is the case, I used LPs for years before I found EBMMs, and for almost every song I had used an LP for, I now use my Axis. The variety of sounds that are available from all of my EBMMs (Axis, Axis Sport, Silo, AL, SiloSpec...) has allowed me to cover every sound I need to....
Just my contribution....
Just my contribution....
guertzi
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Thanks grumpyoldman, that is a great thought!
It is definitely one of the things I am looking for and it is very helpful!
Like I stated in one of my earlier post the Axis is one of my prime suspects, especially the hardtail BFR Axis Super Sport, so I am glad to hear that it covers some of the grounds.
Shooting from the hip, my vote goes to the 20th Silo. I did pull off some pretty convincing sounds from my SUB 1, and the Morse uses the same poplar body. I'm not well-versed in the BFR's (they are a distant dream for me) so I can't comment on them.
