Question & OT - Steve Morse Rig Set-Up - GC Hollywood Clinic

[ScoobySteve]

Hey guys, this just a quick question that I have, I think Brasco and B2 were there, not sure about everyone else, but I recall Steve discussing his rig and how he uses his EB VP's to blend in a wet delay signal into his sound. He used two VP's in the set up, one to for a subtle rhythm delay, and the second for a stronger lead delay.

I can't recall exactly how he explained how his rig was setup, but is he just using a standard Dry/Wet set up by using the Send Out to a delay/FX then outing it to the return of another amp for a Stereo sound, or is it different? I'm pretty sure it was slightly different.

He explained it all at the show, but GC didn't include it on their YouTube Broadcast.

Tommy if you are able to explain that would be great, and anyone else, thanks!

 

[PeteDuBaldo]

I know Tommy is working up a new clinic rig for Steve, but as far as the basic setup goes....




SM Guitar into SM ENGL w/4x12 V30 for dry signal
FX send from dry amp is split.
-one sent to long delay, other sent to short delay.
Separate EB Volume pedal after each delay.
Volume pedal outs go into 2 channel mixer,
2 channel mixer into separate amp FX return w/4x12 V30 for wet signal.

Add Steve Morse

Lather, rinse, repeat if desired.

 

[fbecir]

In the video (now on DVD) called the Complete Styles, Steve shows his rig. Now, his rig has evolved but the philosophy is still the same : a dry signal (just guitar + amp) and after that you add effect(s) thanks to several volume pedal. He uses quite a lot of volume pedals !

 

[beej]

... Add Steve Morse

Ah, that's what I'm missing. My rig doesn't doesn't sound the same no matter what I try ...

 

[fbecir]

Ah, that's what I'm missing. My rig doesn't doesn't sound the same no matter what I try ...

Your rig is incomplete if you don't play with a sleeveless shirt !

 

[ScoobySteve]

Ah, that's what I'm missing. My rig doesn't doesn't sound the same no matter what I try ...

Your rig is incomplete if you don't play with a sleeveless shirt !

Haha beej.

Or a pair of denim overalls!

Thanks a lot guys, I appreciate it. The ability to just blend in FX as desired while keeping the integrity of a straight guitar to amp tone is awesome.

Now just to get another amp. -_-

 

[fbecir]

Now just to get another amp. -_-

If your amp has a parallel effect loop, you can achieve more or less the same result. You just have to put your delays, chorus ... in the loop with a volume pedal.
If you have a serial loop, you have to buy a mixer.

 

[ScoobySteve]

If your amp has a parallel effect loop, you can achieve more or less the same result. You just have to put your delays, chorus ... in the loop with a volume pedal.
If you have a serial loop, you have to buy a mixer.

But it's not the same as a stereo set up through 2 4x12's! Hah!

Now I'm being facetious. But yeah, I've been thinking about that option too. Suhr sells an interesting mixer that basically turns a serial loop into a parallel one.

 

[beej]

Yep- the minimix is a great little mixer, perfect for that. I've been thinking about getting one for my little Badger rig.

My Guytron has a parallel loop, and I use this approach with the wet effects (after seeing Tommy do it). Delay, 'verb, chorus -> VP -> FX return. Play dry, hit the VP, blend in the FX. You miss the trails by doing it that way but I prefer it to having the VP in front of the effects.

It's not D/W or W/D/W, but it's so much more convenient to lug a single amp around than to bring 2.

 

[fbecir]

But it's not the same as a stereo set up through 2 4x12's! Hah!

Yes that's true ! My solution is the solution of the poor man
In fact, I have several amps (a Marshall DSL401 and a Fender Blues DeVille) but I don't have a roadie
When you have to carry all the equipment (the drum, the PA, the amps ...) you see things a bit differently (or you go more often to the gym )

 

[the24thfret]

This thread confuses me.

 

[bkrumme]

Steve, you may be able to accomplish part of this with your Nova System. It's a stereo device and has different series/parallel routing options for your effects. Plus, you can add an expression/volume pedal to control FX parameters.

The only thing I don't know is if you can pan your effects to one side of the outputs. If so, you've got everything you need already in your Nova System.

 

[ScoobySteve]

Thanks Brad.

I don't know if you can use an expression/volume pedal to control global FX parameters can you?

Also, the stereo set up wouldn't work (obviously) with a single amp set up.

I'm not sure how I might be able to work this, though I have yet to post at the TC Forums, but in the end, what I'm trying to accomplish is to have my guitar to amp tone in tact, and able to blend in my FX Processor's effects via a volume pedal at any time I wish.

 

[bkrumme]

Steve, you may be able to accomplish part of this with your Nova System. It's a stereo device and has different series/parallel routing options for your effects. Plus, you can add an expression/volume pedal to control FX parameters.

The only thing I don't know is if you can pan your effects to one side of the outputs. If so, you've got everything you need already in your Nova System.

Strike that, you CAN accomplish this with your Nova System and an expression pedal. And you don't have to use the stereo outs. I just read up on the Nova System manual and it should be pretty easy.

Connect your expression pedal of choice (a VP JR would work nicely) and map the pedal to the MIX parameter of the FX you want to control. You may or may not be able to do this with multiple FX, though. If you want a walk-through we can take it off the forum since this EBMM and not TC Electronics.

 

[bkrumme]

I don't know if you can use an expression/volume pedal to control global FX parameters can you?

If they can be mapped the same way as the G-System, then yes. It seems that way, but the manual is vague.

I'm not sure how I might be able to work this, though I have yet to post at the TC Forums, but in the end, what I'm trying to accomplish is to have my guitar to amp tone in tact, and able to blend in my FX Processor's effects via a volume pedal at any time I wish.

If that's the case, the mixer would be a better bet than doing it with the Nova System.

 

[ScoobySteve]

PM Sent.

Back on topic, time to buy another VP JR.

Man I LOVE those things.

 

[bkrumme]

PM Sent.

Back on topic, time to buy another VP JR.

Man I LOVE those things.

So do I. Great pedals built like tanks.

 

[goldtop]

Steve Morse delay blend effect

If your amp has a parallel effect loop, you can achieve more or less the same result. You just have to put your delays, chorus ... in the loop with a volume pedal.
If you have a serial loop, you have to buy a mixer.

Hi, new member over here.....sorry for my poor English....

The quote above is right!
I saw the gear run by Tommy Alderson about Steve's rig and wanted to create a Steve Morse rig .....ish...... with one amp, especially for the " Steve Morse delay blend effect ", also called " Steve Morse delay swell effect "
After some experimenting I've completed it last week.

I've got the Engl Steve Morse E656 Signature Amp myself, in one of my Les Paul I've got the Steve Morse signature Dimarzio's.
On my pedalboard I've got a Memory Boy Deluxe (no memory MAN) and a LOW IMPEDANCE (25K)volumepedal (high impedance doesn't work to well, tonesuck).
The Memoryboy is placed AFTER the volumepedal for the best result.
This works:
FX loop 1 set to 80% dry, 20% wet.
Amp Send -> Volumepedal IN -> Volumepedal OUT -> Memoryboy IN -> Memoryboy OUT -> Amp Return.

With heel down on the volumepedal there's no delay at all.
Volumepedal 100% toe down gives a very full (long) delay (repeats 4 times).
Volumepedal 50% gives 2 repeats, then the delay bleeds to zero.

With this setup I can blend the delay into the signal, with no change in volume.

You can do this with any amp with Parallel FX loop.

If you want short and long delays together like Steve, you can do 2 things:
-you can place a second Memoryboy (or other delay) with a second volumepedal in the second fx loop of your amp. The Engl 656 has 2 FX loops.
or......
-you can use a stereo volumepedal and place the second delaydevice in the same loop, using the In-2 and Out-2 of the volumepedal.
This way you can alter the long, or short delay with one volumepedal. (both delays on the same time, or separate when one of them is switched off)

Steve's long delay (memory MAN) is also chorussed. The MemoryMan has that possibility.
I'll placed a chorus in the fx-loop of my Memory BOY deluxe later.
This makes it possible to chorus the delay, or use the chorus without the delay, or use the delay without the chorus. All can be adjusted by the volumepedal.

It's a fun rig! (see pictures)

By the way......if you want to create the same sort of rig....use ANALOG delays only!!
Digital delays give a sort of comb-filter sound with a volumepedal in a parallel loop.
If you have a serial-loop you can use a BOSS Line Selector (LS-2) as a mixer.
Read this to see how it works: Please Help With Delay Swell Effect - John Petrucci Forums
You can also use the gigrig WetBox as a mixer: TheGigRig Wet Box

 

[tommyindelaware]

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[LAdude]

or......
-you can use a stereo volumepedal and place the second delaydevice in the same loop, using the In-2 and Out-2 of the volumepedal.
This way you can alter the long, or short delay with one volumepedal. (both delays on the same time, or separate when one of them is switched off)

I know this is an old post. I have a question for you about connecting two delay pedals (one short delay & one long delay using ONE stereo volume pedal). My Amp only has one set of in and out effects loop. How do I connect the second delay pedal? Does the second 'In' of the Volume pedal go to the "in" of the 2nd delay & the second 'out' of the Volume pedal go to the "out" of the delay pedal?

Hi, new member over here.....sorry for my poor English....

The quote above is right!
I saw the gear run by Tommy Alderson about Steve's rig and wanted to create a Steve Morse rig .....ish...... with one amp, especially for the " Steve Morse delay blend effect ", also called " Steve Morse delay swell effect "
After some experimenting I've completed it last week.

I've got the Engl Steve Morse E656 Signature Amp myself, in one of my Les Paul I've got the Steve Morse signature Dimarzio's.
On my pedalboard I've got a Memory Boy Deluxe (no memory MAN) and a LOW IMPEDANCE (25K)volumepedal (high impedance doesn't work to well, tonesuck).
The Memoryboy is placed AFTER the volumepedal for the best result.
This works:
FX loop 1 set to 80% dry, 20% wet.
Amp Send -> Volumepedal IN -> Volumepedal OUT -> Memoryboy IN -> Memoryboy OUT -> Amp Return.

With heel down on the volumepedal there's no delay at all.
Volumepedal 100% toe down gives a very full (long) delay (repeats 4 times).
Volumepedal 50% gives 2 repeats, then the delay bleeds to zero.

With this setup I can blend the delay into the signal, with no change in volume.

You can do this with any amp with Parallel FX loop.

If you want short and long delays together like Steve, you can do 2 things:
-you can place a second Memoryboy (or other delay) with a second volumepedal in the second fx loop of your amp. The Engl 656 has 2 FX loops.
or......
-you can use a stereo volumepedal and place the second delaydevice in the same loop, using the In-2 and Out-2 of the volumepedal.
This way you can alter the long, or short delay with one volumepedal. (both delays on the same time, or separate when one of them is switched off)

Steve's long delay (memory MAN) is also chorussed. The MemoryMan has that possibility.
I'll placed a chorus in the fx-loop of my Memory BOY deluxe later.
This makes it possible to chorus the delay, or use the chorus without the delay, or use the delay without the chorus. All can be adjusted by the volumepedal.

It's a fun rig! (see pictures)

By the way......if you want to create the same sort of rig....use ANALOG delays only!!
Digital delays give a sort of comb-filter sound with a volumepedal in a parallel loop.
If you have a serial-loop you can use a BOSS Line Selector (LS-2) as a mixer.
Read this to see how it works: Please Help With Delay Swell Effect - John Petrucci Forums
You can also use the gigrig WetBox as a mixer: TheGigRig Wet Box