• Ernie Ball
  • MusicMan
  • Sterling by MusicMan

Tone?

Well-known member
Joined
Sep 17, 2007
Messages
348
Location
San Francisco, CA
Think about all the innovations that EBMM uses on their guitars.

Think about how sooner or later most high end guitar manufacturers implement them on their own designs.

The things I absolutely love about the way you guys make guitars are:

1) The heel design. So many high end makers are swaying away from the traditional strat design only to make knock-offs of the EBMM design. It is almost perfect in that it allows from easy access while keeping the heel thick at the most important contact point on the guitar. Absolutely brilliant.

2) The 5 hole neck attachment. No shifting. what more to say about this one? It is even aesthetically done well by making it 5 and not 6 hole. Whoever thought of that one I would really like to know. That is a small detail that goes a long way. Most would have just thought " duh, just make 6 screws" But putting 5 instead makes it so much more pleasing to the eye.

3) The unfinished neck. Amazing. Has won players over and over again. EBMM also has no problems with warped necks to compliment this. I cant say enough about how awesome this feels and SOUNDS as well. Thicker and warmer.

4) The headstock design. Has better string pull.

5) Last but not least the spoke truss rod wheel. Who in the heck developed this???! It is one of the most awesome ideas ever! Practical AND looks good too! killer

6) Use of the Gotoh trem. Not an innovation but EBMM started using these WAAAY before everyone else found out they are better than OFR.


Now.......yeah there is a "but" here and some may start flaming me. Whatever. I always believe in improvements no matter what. It is what keeps a amazing product amazing. So flame away guys if you want. lol


I would love it if EBMM implemented all this into a guitar but had a few plane jane specs as well.

this is what I would call an ALL Around Player for EBMM.

Kinda like a Silo Deluxe or something like that.

Such as:

1) Plain silo shaped body with Basswood and maple top.
2) 1.650 nut spec. It is more acceptable for most players than 1 5/8
3) Slightly wider neck than the Axis, same as nut width I mentioned above. Kinda like the Silo specs or what EBMM referenced for the 25th ann.
4) Floyded guitar without neck angle. Block it at the trem block so you can adjust the action without shimming the neck. You can have it slightly recessed to avoid angling the neck and to look awesome.
5) NO pickguard or with doesnt matter
6) 22 Fret
7) it can come in birdseye maple neck, or birdseye with rosewood.

So it would be a super strat Silo or something like that.
Something that is simple and all out rocking for all!

The thing that would be so killer about this guitar is that it would have alot of "plain" features that alot of guitars have out there ( cause alot of players want this kind of guitar) BUT it would all be about that EBMM vibe that is lacking from all those guitars. And that is all in points 1-6 that I listed before.

killer just killer.

I am still waiting for EBMM to do this model.

Everyone else is, but cant get it right like EBMM.
 
Last edited:

Kaloyan

Well-known member
Joined
Jul 27, 2009
Messages
274
Location
Glenview, IL
Wrong perception. I am sure everyone wants to know how EBMM thinks outside of the box about 'configurations' like yours. Hence my answer.
 

Slingy

Well-known member
Joined
Aug 15, 2007
Messages
1,526
Location
Fair Oaks, CA
I'll add to the praises.

Compensated nuts.
Locking tuners.
Sheilded cavities.
Silent circuits
Tone Blocks
 

koogie2k

Well-known member
Joined
Dec 28, 2002
Messages
5,859
Location
Moyock, NC
Tone...I agree with the innovations that you posted. I believe Dudley was the main design with Pops on all the guitars and basses.

The other wish list....been done several times. Good ideas....but...not so sure they are going to drop everything and start re-tooling just to see if it works for them. Still...they might be working on somehting similar for all we know. They love to surprise us. :cool:
 

Big Poppa

Well-known member
Joined
Feb 9, 2005
Messages
18,598
Location
Coachella & SLO, California
TOne thanks for the thread. Everybody has a dream MM. You can take it many ways. I take it that they love our stuff and always want more. Thats fine. You never know what we will come out with. I will caution you that the market and world is the playground for us. WE love you guys to death but as Ive said a thousand times Knuckleheads are cayenne pepper.....We have to digest the stuff we make and consider the global population. The forum is such a diehard place that doesnt represent the true public.....

THat isnt a bad thing You guys are way ahead of the pack in many ways. At bst you guys account for about 2 weeks of production....which I thank you for!
 

Dante

Well-known member
Joined
Aug 26, 2007
Messages
922
Location
in Hell... with cows...
Dante...I am getting to think that deep inside you are E.V.I.L. ...but maybe right :D

Aww gee, thanks e.mate! :D

(hijack - if you zip thru this thread, you get some metal lyrics:

Horse Cracker
Evil
Cayenne Pepper
Diehard!!)

please excuse me for trying to round the edges off of what could be another edgy thread ;)
 

Tone?

Well-known member
Joined
Sep 17, 2007
Messages
348
Location
San Francisco, CA
Thanks Poppa for the feedback!

I would really dig to see who actually developed some of the stuff I posted, such as the spoke truss wheel, the heel design etc..

cheers!
 

tommydude

Well-known member
Joined
Mar 13, 2008
Messages
684
Location
Chesterland, Ohio
Hey, where else can you get Feedback from the Top Man of the company ??

Thus, this company ROCKS :D

Cayenne Pepper will be the Secret Ingrediant on a future episode of Iron Chef America........I can see it now ;)
 

John C

Well-known member
Joined
Aug 16, 2004
Messages
973
Location
Kansas City
Think about all the innovations that EBMM uses on their guitars.
. . .

1) The heel design.

2) The 5 hole neck attachment.

3) The unfinished neck.

4) The headstock design. Has better string pull.

5) Last but not least the spoke truss rod wheel.

6) Use of the Gotoh trem.

. . .

As BP said these are all innovations they developed in-house; there was a pretty distinct timeline for them. As an "amateur guitar historian" for companies I really like (EBMM and a few others) I read through just about everything on history and try to keep it straight. If I get anything wrong here, then BP can step in and set me straight. Also keep in mind I'm a guitar player; I don't know when some things change on the bass side.

Before we get to EBMM's innovations, just a real quick timeline. Music Man was founded in the early 70s by Tom Walker and Forrest White. Leo Fender was their "silent partner" until his non-compete with Fender expired. Leo designed the early Music Man guitars & basses (Sting Ray and Sabre Bass, followed by Sting Ray and Sabre guitars). Leo had a separate company that built the instruments. Leo fell out with his partners and essentially converted his company to G&L; when he stopped building the Music Man instruments (circa 1980/81) it eventually led Music Man into bankruptcy.

EB bought Music Man's intellectual property, inventory, and some other odds and ends (remember Leo was also the subcontractor for instrument production and therefore retained his factory, which is still the G&L factory) in 1984 and began building the Sting Ray and Sabre basses in their old Earthwood factory and hired Dudley Gimple. Dudley & BP designed the first EBMM model, the Silhouette guitar, and also began working with Steve Morse on a signature model.

Now let's talk about the EBMM innovations in chronological order:

*Headstock design - I always thought this was 100% an EBMM design, but I belived BP mentioned that rough drawings of the 4+2 were part of the intellectual property. BP and Dudley took those rough drawings and revised them into the current EBMM headstock. Unlike the 3+1 bass headstocks, Leo-era guitar headstocks were 6-on-a-side like Fenders.

*Truss Rod Wheel - Again, I'm not sure about the basses but it showed up on the first EBMM guitar, the Silhouette, when it was released in 1986. I'm not sure when this migrated to the Sting Ray and Sabre basses.

I should point out that the Silhouette had a square neck heel and a 6-bolt neck attachment when it was introduced, as did the Steve Morse Signature when they were introduced in 1987. They also had a satin laquer finish on the neck at that time, not the oil-and-wax.

All the other innovations date to the work BP, Dudely and everyone else at EBMM did that produced the EVH signature model in 1991. Don't forget that what became the EVH was a prototype Dudley, BP and the team had on the workbench; they wound up putting all their ideas into that model and then rolling them out onto the other models:

*Neck Heel Design - first on the EVH, then the Silhouette and SM Signature were updated by 1992.

*The 5 hole neck attachment - same time frame - first on the EVH, then rolled out on the Silhouette and Morse within a year. In one of those "great minds think alike" it turns out that Steve modded his #1/50 (the first production Morse Signature) by sanding down the neck heel during a time when he broke his wrist while on tour and had a hard time getting the cast around the corner of the neck heel.

*The unfinished neck - the oil-and-wax finish was also first on the EVH, then rolled out to the Silhouette and Morse.

*Use of the Gotoh trem - also first on the EVH and rolled out to the Silhouette and the Morse. Of course it was then dropped from the Silhouette around 1996 and replaced by the EBMM Vintage Trem.

All guitars since the EVH have used the innovations that BP & team developed. And all of us EBMM owners thank them for their work.
 
Top Bottom