Question JP related

[PaoloGilberto]

Hi guys,

maybe you can give some advice

1. I saw people talking about some guitar lube - graphite !? if I remember well to use on the nut an bridge for tuning stability
can you give an example of product an how you use on the bridge - which parts, etc
I found this product GHS A94 GraphitAll
is that the kind of product for this?

2. I heard many say that JP stay in tune very very well.
as I am concerned after bending on G, B , E strings, a hole step, they go out of tune for sure , especially G string, and no exception ...every day...
am I missing some trick

thanks a lot .

paul

 

[Dante]

we don't even know if your guitar is setup properly. i have new strings on mine and on day 2 it stays perfectly in tune.

 

[bkrumme]

I've got no problems with any of my JP's staying in tune. It's most likely a set-up issue that a good luthier can fix.

As far as the lubrication goes, I used a product for a while called "Big Bends Nut Sauce" which worked pretty well.

 

[the24thfret]

My JPs have always stayed in tune better than any other guitar I've played. You should probably get a luthier or a guitar tech to look at it if you aren't sure about the setup or any other issues.

 

[PaoloGilberto]

thx for replies guys.

I don't think is the setup, because even with the original setup was the same, after my low action setup - same and after some tech setup few months ago - the same.

with a tuner after bending on G string is not perfect in tune for sure ...it not way of, but for sure is not like many said that is perfectly in tune even after one hour of playing....maybe without a tuner judging just by ear.

others opinion re the 2 Q in my first post?

 

[bkrumme]

You've got a guitar with a floating tremolo. It will NEVER go exactly where it was before you bent the string.

How far is it going out? Surely nowhere near a semitone (half step). I'm thinking maybe 1-2 cents on a good tuner? That's nearly imperceptible by the human ear. Have you checked intonation? It could *sound* like it's out of tune when it really isn't.

 

[Lou]

Cheap nut lube - use clear chapstick. Little dab will do.

 

[bkrumme]

Cheap nut lube - use clear chapstick. Little dab will do.

That's a good idea, Lou! A tube will last a good long while, too.

 

[ProtoChicken]

Cheap nut lube - use clear chapstick. Little dab will do.

Lou, does that work better than using a graphite pencil and scribbling in the nut? I always get graphite everywhere.

 

[bkrumme]

I'm guessing you could also use a tiny little dab of vaseline as well.

 

[GHWelles]

Cheap nut lube - use clear chapstick. Little dab will do.

Yep, and if you want, put some pencil shaving graphite in with it.
Or just use this, I do and it works well.

http://www.stewmac.com/shop/Accessories/Cleaners,_polishes,_lubricants/Guitar_Grease.html

 

[dstockden]

I'm guessing you could also use a tiny little dab of vaseline as well.

yep i use vaseline, i use quite a lot though ! it does look a bit messy i guess.

 

[Lou]

I don't lkike using graphite or vaseline as they are messy, or I'm clumsy.

 

[ProtoChicken]

I don't lkike using graphite or vaseline as they are messy, or I'm clumsy.

So Lou is this what I should try?

 

[Lou]

Yes, stay away from cherry and grape and the like unless you like the colors

 

[ProtoChicken]

Yes, stay away from cherry and grape and the like unless you like the colors

Do you remember they used to make orange? It was over 20 years ago. I miss the orange.

 

[PaoloGilberto]

Now that is a very good point! and this I was pointing out to, having a floating tremolo it will never go exactly where it was before bending the string.
And I was sure is just a thing of human perception the fact that most say JP stay always PERFECT in tune, because if you use a tuner you'll notice that.
I do not have an expensive tuner , this is mine Korg CA-30 - Chromatic Tuner
and after playing , bending, usually goes out of tune somewhere to -20 cent

thank you all for replies.

Lou, I guess that that any quality lip balm is ok to use on the nut and bridge studs? (by the way how do you put lube on those 2 studs??)

GHwelles, that seems cool, I will try to order one, hope it will arrive this year from US to me ..hahah

You've got a guitar with a floating tremolo. It will NEVER go exactly where it was before you bent the string.

How far is it going out? Surely nowhere near a semitone (half step). I'm thinking maybe 1-2 cents on a good tuner? That's nearly imperceptible by the human ear. Have you checked intonation? It could *sound* like it's out of tune when it really isn't.

 

[bkrumme]

and after playing , bending, usually goes out of tune somewhere to -20 cent

-20 cents wouldn't be acceptable to me. That's a big difference and should be easily perceivable by the human ear. How old are the strings? If they're too old, they may have lost some of their tensile strength and need replacing. If they're brand new they may need a little time (a day or so) to acclimate and "settle in." There's also the possibility the string is sticking in the bridge, which you'll get taken care of with the lip balm or other luibrication method.

 

[PaoloGilberto]

yes it is perceivable , but not for all the people as I tested with my friends.

but to be sure we are talking about the same thing: those -20 cents shown on my tuner is 1/5 of semitone.
were you referring at the same ?

strings are 4 weeks old, I play around 1 and a half hours /day, but it was the same with all the strings and age.

what parts of the bridge should I use lube on?

thx

-20 cents wouldn't be acceptable to me. That's a big difference and should be easily perceivable by the human ear. How old are the strings? If they're too old, they may have lost some of their tensile strength and need replacing. If they're brand new they may need a little time (a day or so) to acclimate and "settle in." There's also the possibility the string is sticking in the bridge, which you'll get taken care of with the lip balm or other luibrication method.

 

[bkrumme]

yes it is perceivable , but not for all the people as I tested with my friends.

but to be sure we are talking about the same thing: those -20 cents shown on my tuner is 1/5 of semitone.
were you referring at the same ?

strings are 4 weeks old, I play around 1 and a half hours /day, but it was the same with all the strings and age.

what parts of the bridge should I use lube on?

thx

That's exactly right. 20 cents is 1/5 of a semitone.

4 week old strings may or may not be the culprit. They're a little bit old, but as long as they're in good condition you should be ok.

I would use lube on the nut slots first, and not the bridge at first. If you notice a difference, but it's still not quite right, you might have a luthier check that the nut slot is cut properly for the gauge of strings you use. The bridge shouldn't be an issue as it floats on "knife edges" which have very little contact surface.

You could also use a device to stabilize the tremolo. I don't have much experience with these, though, so I couldn't tell you a good one to use.