Differences between BFR Axis

[Razor]

Music man Axis sport Ernie Ball Reserve BFR Guitar - eBay (item 270523544880 end time Feb-07-10 16:34:14 PST)

From the link above is an BFR Axis Super Sport with a regular music man case instead of the BFR case. If I remember correctly, this would not be a true BFR, because it only has a BFR neck, but no mahogany tone block? Is this correct? And, if so, you can always tell by which case they come in?

 

[beej]

BFR = a way for EBMM to share one-offs, experiments, etc. with us. Some make it into regular production, some don't. So instruments don't have to have the tone block to be a "true BFR".

This one looks to be from the limited run of RW necks with a regular Axis SS body. That finish wasn't available on the run of BFR Axis's with the Tone Block.

 

[ScoobySteve]

What beej said! ^^^

An ASS in Tobacco Burst, flamed top, with BFR RW Neck and vintage trem!

WOW! That one's a keeper!

 

[Razor]

BFR = a way for EBMM to share one-offs, experiments, etc. with us. Some make it into regular production, some don't. So instruments don't have to have the tone block to be a "true BFR".

This one looks to be from the limited run of RW necks with a regular Axis SS body. That finish wasn't available on the run of BFR Axis's with the Tone Block.

Well, that sure is kinda shady. (misleading)

Because it say right here on your site that a BFR Axis Super Sport COMES with a mahogany block. Yet, you tell me that a BFR Axis doesn't necessarily come with a mahogany block?

http://www.music-man.com/instruments/guitars/axis-super-sport-bfr.html

 

[PeteDuBaldo]

I wouldn't say it looks shady

Ask EB to run the serial number in the sticky thread and give you the original build code. SN G42754.

That will tell you exactly what it is.

Build code 320 = Axis SuperSport w/ trem, HH
322 = BFR Axis SuperSport w/ trem, HH, tone block

 

[Razor]

I wouldn't say it looks shady

Ask EB to run the serial number in the sticky thread and give you the original build code. SN G42754.

That will tell you exactly what it is.

Build code 320 = Axis SuperSport w/ trem, HH
322 = BFR Axis SuperSport w/ trem, HH, tone block

I'm just judging by what they tell the customer on their website: Because it says right here on your site that a BFR Axis Super Sport COMES with a mahogany block. Yet, you tell me that a BFR Axis doesn't necessarily come with a mahogany block?

Ernie Ball Music Man Axis Super Sport BFR Guitar

 

[beej]

Well, that sure is kinda shady. (misleading)

Because it say right here on your site that a BFR Axis Super Sport COMES with a mahogany block. Yet, you tell me that a BFR Axis doesn't necessarily come with a mahogany block?

Ernie Ball Music Man Axis Super Sport BFR Guitar

Again, not all BFRs have the mahogany blocks. BFRs are a way for EBMM to offer neat interesting models to the consumer, things that were formerly only available only to artists & family.

The colours on those sets of instruments are different, precisely so the bodies can't be confused.

That's a killer looking guitar. If you're concerned the whole line is shady, I'd steer clear of it and let somebody else pick it up.

 

[guitfiddle]

The seller has the BFR specs on his listing (a lazy cut and paste job) that says it has the mahogany tone block. I don't think that is accurate. Sweet axe though.

 

[Razor]

Again, not all BFRs have the mahogany blocks. BFRs are a way for EBMM to offer neat interesting models to the consumer, things that were formerly only available only to artists & family.

The colours on those sets of instruments are different, precisely so the bodies can't be confused.

That's a killer looking guitar. If you're concerned the whole line is shady, I'd steer clear of it and let somebody else pick it up.

You are not getting MY point.

If this is the case, that not all BFR's have the mahogany blocks....then it should be cleared up on your website. Because according to your website, ALL BFR Axis's come with mahogany blocks. See what I mean? I think that is a legitimate complaint. It's in black and white on the Ball Family Reserve Axis Super Sport homepage.

 

[Razor]

The seller has the BFR specs on his listing (a lazy cut and paste job) that says it has the mahogany tone block. I don't think that is accurate. Sweet axe though.

Exactly.

 

[Slav123]

The "custom one of a kind" comment in the description is also wrong.

Slav

 

[beej]

First off, it's not my website. I don't work for EBMM. Neither does Pete. However I'll be sure to pass your request on to the management ...

Second, no where does it say that all BFR Axis' come with the tone block. It just says the ones they're selling now - the ones listed on that site and in those colours - do. Doesn't mention anything about what they've done before or will do again.

Dude, every time you post here you pick a fight. What gives? Don't by the guitar if you're confused. We're all just trying to answer your question and help you out.

 

[ScoobySteve]

BFR's do not have a specific standard to which they can be identified by.

That is a normal Axis Super Sport with a BFR All-Rosewood Neck.

Yes it can be confusing at times, but there are several things to note:

1. That tobacco burst finish is not available on the standard BFR Axis (i.e. Tone block)
2. BFR Axis is a HH guitar, Floyd, 3-way switch, w/ Vol. Knob but no tone. This is an ASS.

While the website might be confusing it is technically correct. It's just a little broad. Since the All-Rosewood Neck BFR's were custom series, one off, and are no longer in production, they probably won't be listen in the Music Man's list of offered products.

Like mentioned by Pete above, run the serial number, the company will be able to exactly identify the guitar for you. And while the guitar is hot, it is incorrectly described on that eBay listing.\

Like I said, someone please correct me if anything i posted is innaccurate or incorrect.

 

[Razor]

First off, it's not my website. I don't work for EBMM. Neither does Pete. However I'll be sure to pass your request on to the management ...

Second, no where does it say that all BFR Axis' come with the tone block. It just says the ones they're selling now - the ones listed on that site and in those colours - do. Doesn't mention anything about what they've done before or will do again.

Dude, every time you post here you pick a fight. What gives? Don't by the guitar if you're confused. We're all just trying to answer your question and help you out.

Actually, as a MOD, you DO represent EBMM...regardless if you work for them or not.

And, it DOES say it: "Body Wood: Basswood with bookmatched figured maple top and mahogany tone block."

Who's picking a fight? I'm just pointing out a discrepancy on the website. But, this is all I was looking for: "However I'll be sure to pass your request on to the management ..." ....so chill out.

 

[ScoobySteve]

Correction to my post. The description calls it a ASS, but title calls it Axis sport.

That seller isn't helping himself with his clarity.

It is possible that during the window of RW models that someone requested a BFR ASS w/ Tone Block with a RW neck.

We don't know if it is a BFR ASS w/ Toneblock for sure until someone from SLO gives the thumbs up. There's nothing wrong with the website, it is just this is a rare case where a potential customer's order is confusing.

From our educated guesses, it's a normal ASS w/ BFR RW neck because of three reasons, the finish, the price, and the price the seller claimed to have bought it new.

But like we said, we don't know for sure until someone at SLO runs the serial.

 

[beej]

Ok, you're right. It's my website. You've seen through my elaborate plan, I was out to scam you all along by making a confusing series of guitars, each more confusing than the last, all the while counting on you giving up your money to some dude on eBay. All the other guys that understood, made polite suggestions, took the time to answer your questions or gave up their money to EBMM, they were just pawns in my evil plan.

 

[Slav123]

100% correct Steve. I own almost the identical guitar. When you buy guitars from eBay you are always taking some sort of risk. You are better off buying from a respected retailer.

Slav

 

[Sweat]

Do a search a BFR is anything unque that they make that is different from normal production models, it could be anything from a rosewood neck, such as the guitar in question, to a color, etc. chill that guitar is a BFR.

 

[Slav123]

Wasn't there a Mods thread posted today...

Slav

 

[Dargin]

The serial number comes up with a build of 320-73-RW-00...aka Axis Super Sport -- Trem- Tobacco Brst -- Full rosewood neck -- no pickguard. It is a BFR because of the rosewood neck.