BFR Finishes

[savannah_sean]

Well it's kinda different with the acoustic guitars, they usually have unpainted(or at least trying to look unpainted) making the spruce and koa top look like different wood. With these guitars it really looks like a different finish. Sort of like.. with Flame they've just drawn a brush sideways whereas on Quilt they would have drawn it a little more wavery.

Well, I think you may be answering your other question about what "trans" means. To my knowledge (and many more knowledgeable folks on here will correct me), "trans" means "translucent" - which means that you can see the figuring of the wood underneath the finish. Contrast this with an "opaque" finish, like mystic dream or any solid color, where the figuring of the wood underneath is not visible.

But good to know that it's different types of wood. This is a little bit getting side-tracked but what's the difference in Quilt and Flame?

You might try to do a google search on "quilted maple" or "flamed maple"...you will be able to find many pictures of the raw wood and you can see what the figuring looks like before it's made into a guitar and has a finish put on it.

 

[azazael]

Well it's kinda different with the acoustic guitars, they usually have unpainted(or at least trying to look unpainted) making the spruce and koa top look like different wood. With these guitars it really looks like a different finish. Sort of like.. with Flame they've just drawn a brush sideways whereas on Quilt they would have drawn it a little more wavery.

But good to know that it's different types of wood. This is a little bit getting side-tracked but what's the difference in Quilt and Flame?



What..?

You think a Flame or Quilt top is drawn on? ROFL........

 

[Stratty316]

You think a Flame or Quilt top is drawn on? ROFL........

no, its a photo that is applied to the top of the guitar... DUH!!!

 

[savannah_sean]

Now I'm confused, and sorry for the slight hijack, but in the picture above of fing's (former) amethyst burst luke, would we also say that is "amethyst sunburst"? That doesn't seem right to me.

I realize it's just semantics and what really matters is that all of the finishes are simply awesome, I just have it in my mind that "sunburst" is just a specific type of "burst", which refers to the more general situation that fing. described above.

 

[Stratty316]

no, Sunburst is the name of a specific color of burst. For example, what Ernie Ball now calls "honeyburst" used to be called "sunburst" (EVH/AXIS) "Burst" is the finish technique. Take a look at this link, it should explain it all....

Sunburst (finish) - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

 

[savannah_sean]

no, Sunburst is the name of a specific color of burst. For example, what Ernie Ball now calls "honeyburst" used to be called "sunburst" (EVH/AXIS) "Burst" is the finish technique. Take a look at this link, it should explain it all....

That is the impression that I was under. Earlier in this thread, some folks mentioned that "burst" and "sunburst" meant the same thing. I just wasn't sure about that, is all.

...although that wiki page mentions that "blue burst" is a "sunburst" color...so whatever. I'm going to go practice

 

[Tanax]

hey Tanax, you may want to try googling these terms as well. They are fairly universal and it may help you get to the bottom of things. I think the more you dig here on the forum the more you are going to get pulled in different directions... it may help with what you are looking for.

Actually I have learned a lot from this thread But am google:ing aswell

OK burst generally refers to the primary color fading out on the edges, normally to a darker color, here is a pictorial example, I owned a BFR Luke Amethyst Burst ( now belongs to my buddy Headstock ) and I currently own a Reflex the color is Amethyst, as you can see on the Reflex the color stays the same all the way to the binding.

Reflex

Luke

Thanks for those pictures. I know quite well now what the Burst means now

Well, I think you may be answering your other question about what "trans" means. To my knowledge (and many more knowledgeable folks on here will correct me), "trans" means "translucent" - which means that you can see the figuring of the wood underneath the finish. Contrast this with an "opaque" finish, like mystic dream or any solid color, where the figuring of the wood underneath is not visible.



You might try to do a google search on "quilted maple" or "flamed maple"...you will be able to find many pictures of the raw wood and you can see what the figuring looks like before it's made into a guitar and has a finish put on it.

I still don't understand the "Trans". Isn't Quilt and Flame that you also see the figuring of the wood underneath the finish and that's what's makes the "stripes" or the "waves" ??

Regarding Quilt and Flame, I meant not what it looks like but rather if there are any difference in the sound qualities.

You think a Flame or Quilt top is drawn on? ROFL........

If you read more closely, I actually said that Flame LOOKS like it's stripes that has been drawn and that Quilt LOOKS like it's waves that has been drawn. I never said that it was.

With these guitars it really looks like a different finish. Sort of like.. with Flame they've just drawn a brush sideways whereas on Quilt they would have drawn it a little more wavery.

Please try to read before making sarcastic jokes on others behalfs.

Thank you.

Now I'm confused, and sorry for the slight hijack, but in the picture above of fing's (former) amethyst burst luke, would we also say that is "amethyst sunburst"? That doesn't seem right to me.

I realize it's just semantics and what really matters is that all of the finishes are simply awesome, I just have it in my mind that "sunburst" is just a specific type of "burst", which refers to the more general situation that fing. described above.

This is definitely not a hijack(or offtopic as the rest of the Internet says ). I think it's relevant and I'm curious too

no, Sunburst is the name of a specific color of burst. For example, what Ernie Ball now calls "honeyburst" used to be called "sunburst" (EVH/AXIS) "Burst" is the finish technique. Take a look at this link, it should explain it all....

Sunburst (finish) - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Thanks for the link!

 

[azazael]

Sunburst is really just a coined term for a gradient technique/style that is similar to a sun burst.

 

[Oh3AreSicks]

This is a thick thread. lol

 

[Tanax]

Still trying to figure out what "Trans" means, I think I understand everything else but that. As an example, take the Trans Black from Music-man's website. It is still a Quilt, yes? It looks like it anyways. So it's safe to say - based on that - that it's a Trans Black Quilt. The question is though, why have "Trans" there? It could be a part of the name but it's a recurrent keyword as seen on Trans Walnut and Trans Ruby to name a few. So it means SOMETHING (most likely), but what??

 

[threeminutesboy]

Trans=Transparent

 

[azazael]

Still trying to figure out what "Trans" means, I think I understand everything else but that. As an example, take the Trans Black from Music-man's website. It is still a Quilt, yes? It looks like it anyways. So it's safe to say - based on that - that it's a Trans Black Quilt. The question is though, why have "Trans" there? It could be a part of the name but it's a recurrent keyword as seen on Trans Walnut and Trans Ruby to name a few. So it means SOMETHING (most likely), but what??

It means translucent or transparent.
Do you need to buy a guitar without sharp edges too?
In case you hurt yourself... jeez.

As i've already said quilt/flame refers to the figuring of the maple underneath....

 

[PeteDuBaldo]

This thread is making my head hurt!

Still trying to figure out what "Trans" means, I think I understand everything else but that. As an example, take the Trans Black from Music-man's website. It is still a Quilt, yes? It looks like it anyways. So it's safe to say - based on that - that it's a Trans Black Quilt. The question is though, why have "Trans" there? It could be a part of the name but it's a recurrent keyword as seen on Trans Walnut and Trans Ruby to name a few. So it means SOMETHING (most likely), but what??

Trans = translucent/transparent = you can see the natural figure of the wood through the paint. "Trans" is added to color descriptions so that the buyer knows it is not an opaque color, and that the figure of the wood can be seen. If you removed the trans from Trans Black then the color would simply be black.

Let me kick the other horse a bit more before it dies:
In the EB color chart there is no "Tobacco Sunburst" just "Tobacco Burst" which I why I said that is a typo on the other website. Yes, even though it is a typo pretty much everyone understands what color it is.

EB Color #71 = Vintage Sunburst
EB Color #73 = Tobacco Burst

Again, all that "burst" means is that there is one color in the center of the guitar and a different color towards the edges.


Quilt and flame are the natural figure the wood has, and have nothing to do with the type of finish - they are completely independent from one another. Oftentimes people will mention the wood figuring next to the color to save space.

Examples:
"Translucent Black color with a quilt figured maple top" is oftentimes written as "Trans Black Quilt"
"Natural clear gloss finish with a flame figured maple top" becomes "Natural Flame"


NOTE: Other companies may name their colors differently than EB does, but this is an EB forum and those are the guitars you were asking about.


I hope that helps!


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[threeminutesboy]

Well done Pete and thanks for taking the time to explain everything again

Now Tanax go and place your order to Pete Dubaldo, I think he deserves it

 

[TheShreddinHand]

Well done Pete and thanks for taking the time to explain everything again

Now Tanax go and place your order to Pete Dubaldo, I think he deserves it

+1, Pete has spoken! Orders from him are now mandatory by all!

-Eric

 

[Tanax]

Trans = translucent/transparent = you can see the natural figure of the wood through the paint. "Trans" is added to color descriptions so that the buyer knows it is not an opaque color, and that the figure of the wood can be seen. If you removed the trans from Trans Black then the color would simply be black.

Let me kick the other horse a bit more before it dies:
In the EB color chart there is no "Tobacco Sunburst" just "Tobacco Burst" which I why I said that is a typo on the other website. Yes, even though it is a typo pretty much everyone understands what color it is.

EB Color #71 = Vintage Sunburst
EB Color #73 = Tobacco Burst

Again, all that "burst" means is that there is one color in the center of the guitar and a different color towards the edges.


Quilt and flame are the natural figure the wood has, and have nothing to do with the type of finish - they are completely independent from one another. Oftentimes people will mention the wood figuring next to the color to save space.

Examples:
"Translucent Black color with a quilt figured maple top" is oftentimes written as "Trans Black Quilt"
"Natural clear gloss finish with a flame figured maple top" becomes "Natural Flame"


NOTE: Other companies may name their colors differently than EB does, but this is an EB forum and those are the guitars you were asking about.


I hope that helps!


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Hey Pete,

Thanks for this very detailed explenation of Quilt, Flame and Trans!
I have a vague understanding of what Trans means now, thanks a bunch!

- Marcus

 

[Tanax]

Well done Pete and thanks for taking the time to explain everything again

Now Tanax go and place your order to Pete Dubaldo, I think he deserves it

Haha, I would if I had not just bought a DDII JP6 2 weeks ago(my first Ball actually). Although, that DDII JP6 BFR he has there looks quite yummy...

 

[threeminutesboy]

Hey Pete,

Thanks for this very detailed explenation of Quilt, Flame and Trans!
I have a vague understanding of what Trans means now, thanks a bunch!

- Marcus

Marcus come on, a vague understanding ? Pete's explanation was Crystal Clear.

In case of doublt you can check EBMM color chart on the website Welcome to the Ernie Ball Music Man Company

 

[Tanax]

Okay, so one more question(hehe, I know you like it xD):
Have all finishes been available in both Quilt and Flame? For instance, I know there's both Tobacco Burst Flame and Quilt, is there Trans Black Flame? I've only seen Quilt.

Just interested

 

[threeminutesboy]

For BFR only you can specify Quilt or Flame while placing your order.

for regular production (Axis, ASS for instance) it's just the luck of draw , I mean if you place an order you can get either Quilt or Flame