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nobozos

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So, I've been working with the singer of my old rock band, preparing to launch an acoustic act with me playing guitar, and her singing.

It's been a pretty odd experience for me, because I've had to learn alot of newer stuff that I'm really not that interested in, like Colbie Caillat, and Jack Johnson. I'm a Classic Rocker by nature, so the newer soft acoustic stuff is a little out of my comfort zone.

Anyway:

I've had to learn alot of new songs, but one in particular was giving me trouble, and it's probably the oldest song we play. "Blackbird"

She wants to do the Sarah McLachlan version, of course, but the main structure of the song is the same, just capo'd at the 2nd fret.

Now, Blackbird's "chords" are a little unusual, and they are all over the place. Once you learn the chords, the song's structure changes slightly throughout the song, so it's not memorization of a simple pattern like most songs.

Once you have the chords and structure down, you have to attack the picking pattern. Now, the McLachlan version cheats a little here, where they just kind of strum in between chords. I didn't care for the sound of that, so I decided to learn the McCartney picking pattern, which is different than any other song I've learned. It requires mainly picking with your thumb and middle finger, throwing in your index finger alternately between every chord change, and then holding a specific picking pattern on certian chords.

I've finally got it down, but it took me about 2 weeks to master it by learning a piece of it, walking away, and picking it up later. I probably had about 6 hours of "string time" total devoted to learning that song. My average is about 45 minutes to 1.5 hours to master a new song.

Is this song really as difficult to learn to play correctly as I thought it was, or was it just my Kryptonite?
 

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For me it was Satch's Crushing Day. The sweep picking still kicks my butt. I'm not very good at sweeping.
 

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Toughest but also the most gratifying is an unknown song by probably everyone here by an acoustic fingerstyle guy named peppino d'augustino.
The song is called UNDER THE SAME SKY and its in a bizarre tuning
F A# D F C D low to high.

Took 11 days to learn (in tab) about 4-5 hours each day.
Then took another 2 years to play comfortably.
 

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For me, its any Eric Johnson song with delicate and intricate phrasings.

No matter how hard I try, and no matter how much I practice, I can never get it to sound like the record or live rendition.

It's insanely frustrating, but a serious testament to the man's control in his fingers.
 

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This is going to sound ridiculous, but...

"Funky Town"

Incredibly easy parts, but try remembering the order of the sections in a band setting... Most simple songs are like ABABCAB or something, this song is like ABACBCDBACADBD, totally random!!! So annoying!
 

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Yeah, I was actually referring to the Comic Book Kryptonite, not the song, but I have played that song also. It was my second least favorite song to play, after "Gimme One Reason". That song is so boring to play, and un-neccesarily long, I wanted to stab myself in the neck every time we played it. I literally put it as the last song in the set each gig, because I was so disgusted with that song, that I just wanted to get away from my guitar after playing it.

I can't express enough how much I hate that song.
 

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Yeah, I was actually referring to the Comic Book Kryptonite, not the song, but I have played that song also. It was my second least favorite song to play, after "Gimme One Reason". That song is so boring to play, and un-neccesarily long, I wanted to stab myself in the neck every time we played it. I literally put it as the last song in the set each gig, because I was so disgusted with that song, that I just wanted to get away from my guitar after playing it.

I can't express enough how much I hate that song.

Same here, I can't stand Gimme One Reason or Kryptonite. Fortunately, as far as Kryptonite goes, we only play it up through the first chorus just to set levels, then shut it down. Usually around the second set people start asking for it but the answer is always "no, that's our soundcheck song, sorry"
 

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Yeah, I was actually referring to the Comic Book Kryptonite, not the song, but I have played that song also. It was my second least favorite song to play, after "Gimme One Reason". That song is so boring to play, and un-neccesarily long, I wanted to stab myself in the neck every time we played it. I literally put it as the last song in the set each gig, because I was so disgusted with that song, that I just wanted to get away from my guitar after playing it.

I can't express enough how much I hate that song.

Thank you for putting my shared absolute hatred of that song into words. I'd quit a band that wanted to play that song.
 

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No question in my mind. Bat Country by Avenged Sevenfold.

I was in a gigging modern hard rock band and we normally played stuff that was much less technically difficult. Bat Country kicked my ass. The drummer and I would have an extra session each week just to work on that song. And we never really got it right to be honest.

Synyster Gates is an amazing guitarist and has wonderfully difficult lead parts. And that drummer (now dead) wrote some of the most interesting and aggressive sections I have ever come across.





[ame=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IHS3qJdxefY&ob=av3e]YouTube - Avenged Sevenfold - Bat Country (Video)[/ame]
 

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I guess what took me aback about Blackbird, is that I never really ever thought much about that song. I mean, I'd heard it, but I never really considered it to be a difficult song as a listener. It was only after I started to actually learn the song that I discovered it was really difficult for me to play. I mean, I would expect to have a difficult time learning how to play the acoustic version of "Big Love" from Lindsey Buckingham, but "Blackbird"? It just never occurred to me that song would be difficult.

The only other song I spent as long learning was "When the Children Cry" from White Lion. Now there is a song with absolutely no repetitive picking pattern that you can just play through the whole song, like "Landslide" for instance. I expected WTCC to be a bear though.
 

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This is going to sound ridiculous, but...

"Funky Town"

Incredibly easy parts, but try remembering the order of the sections in a band setting... Most simple songs are like ABABCAB or something, this song is like ABACBCDBACADBD, totally random!!! So annoying!

We used to play that too. There are some funky chords in that song, but the strumming pattern is kind of hard to get used to also, especially around the..."And they were dancin', and singin', and movin'....."

It does have a rippin guitar solo for that type of song though.
 

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Worked on two songs recently that took a while to master, Minor Swing by Django and Satellite by Dave Matthews Band. Worth the effort though.

Love playing Blackbird, stick at it!
 

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Hmm, the hardest song for me ot learn so far was The Best of Times by Dream Theater
The solo kicks ass, it has virtually every guitar technique known to mankind in it (apart from tapping, oh well :p). It took me ages to get those fast trills down, the sweeps are annoying too, Petrucci does sweeps so fast. If you know the song Stream Of Consciousness (also by DT), you'll know what I mean. He does like 2 or 3 sweeps in a second >.<

EDIT: A song I'm kind of "on-going" learnign is Take The Time by DT of course :p
That song is such a PITA, the timing absolutely kills you, assuming that you are playing every-single-little audible mute JP plays(which actualy makes a lage difference believe it or not). I guess I need to work on my "funk" a little more haha
 
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I've been working on some Cynic stuff the last month or so that's been really challenging.
 

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Tumeni Notes by Mr. Steve Morse...it's just TOOO MANY NOTES! I haven't been able to practice it as much recently, but that is an insane song to be able to pull off convincingly...which I have not succeeded on so far.
 

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Tumeni Notes by Mr. Steve Morse...it's just TOOO MANY NOTES! I haven't been able to practice it as much recently, but that is an insane song to be able to pull off convincingly...which I have not succeeded on so far.

You see, I wish at the level where it was realistic for me to play these songs.

More practice time for me!
 
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