Off Topic Why musicman why???

[blackneuron]

Why musicman why???You have found the ultimate formulla "Axis" beatiful birdseye unfinished neck the best body and headstock shape top notch build quality everything is superb but why can't i lower action without neck shims, I don't want to use shims because they will lower my sustain I can't get my action lower than 1.5mm.I think if you make the neck 0.5 mm thicker everyone will be happy.

 

[Spudmurphy]

Shims will not affect the sustain - it's a misconception.

 

[walleye]

what are neck shims?

 

[blackneuron]

Shims will not affect the sustain - it's a misconception.

In theory it decreases the contact area of the neck with the body and we know from gibson making neck pockets longer and increasing surface area increases sustain but in practice its another story.
If it does't affect the sustain than mm should put a micro tilt adjustment screw like fender.

 

[shredderbetter]

I own 15+ axis guitars ~NEVER had any high action issues on any??? how low do you need to go??? I never ran into any inability to tune the guitar to fit your playing style also own several other MM no problems the only thing is i can only play one at a time!

 

[blackneuron]

I own 15+ axis guitars ~NEVER had any high action issues on any??? how low do you need to go??? I never ran into any inability to tune the guitar to fit your playing style also own several other MM no problems the only thing is i can only play one at a time!

I believe the problem is getting used to shred guitars I set my ibanez guitars around 1 mm(0.04inches) without any buzzing and can't set my axis lower than 1.5mm(0.06inches).I am using 9-42 strings.

 

[whitestrat]

In theory it decreases the contact area of the neck with the body and we know from gibson making neck pockets longer and increasing surface area increases sustain but in practice its another story.

It does? Waitaminnit... So why does my JP6 with the floating trem and bolt-on neck sustain as long as my Les Paul Standard (short tenon) and R7 Black Beauty (long tenon)?

Must be a dud...

 

[threeminutesboy]

BP must be laughing somewhere

 

[PeteDuBaldo]

Welcome to the forum! This topic comes up somewhat frequently and you should be able to find a good answer using the search function.

 

[blackneuron]

Don't get me wrong i readed more than 50 topics about shims but none of them really answered my questions.
1-Do they install shims at factory to mm guitars
2-Some say a shim will create a gap and this will lower sustain and other say this will reflect the waves back to string increasing sustain
If I had 2 identical axises sounding same I could try if shimming will decrease sustain but for now there is no way for me to test.
3-If I go with shimming should I use plastic brass wood sloped? linear? or any other kind of shim
4-How low do you like your action for axises. And would you consider yourself a hard picker , medium picker, or feather picker. Also what guage strings do you use with this action.
Thanks

 

[straycat113]

Just all these things that players say like Eric Johnson stating that taking off the back plate on his Strats increases the tone, or Vanhalen leaving the cavities unfinished on his guitars now so the wood can breath, a lot of people buy into these stories but the bottom line is wood is dead and there is nothing breathing at 180 decibels.

I have some Strats that are shimmed and some that are not , the same also applies to some MM guitars and I have no problems with sustain. To be honest if you want to talk Gibson I would believe a set neck guitar would have more sustain than a bolt on but who cares about holding a note infinitely.I may be wrong but just by what you said in your last post it seems that you are reading ,or someone is telling you this info and making you think too much.

I know to each his own when it comes to how guys like their action set, I like my action low but I also like to bend and I tend to need a bit of space to feel the string under my fingers. Then again if your style is straight up shredding-sweeping and tapping, I can understand wanting it as low as possible but dont buy into everything you read, as I could not believe someone would be commenting on your notes dying out.

 

[fbecir]

Very low action and sustain ?
Are you kidding ?
If you want sustain, put some heavier strings, increase your action and then your strings will have space to vibrate.
Take a look to a classical guitar : the action is really high because when you have no amp (and no gain !), sustain just comes from the strings.The hardest part of classical guitar is to play without muting the strings that have to vibrate.

Shredders have sustain because they play with a lot of gain (or a sustainer).

 

[ScreaminFloyd]

Just like he goes straight from the guitar into his amp with no affects. I've heard and read so many B.S. stories that it's hard to know what to believe.

Could he or anyone really tell the difference from a guitar that breathes and one that does not breathe?I love watching EVH play, But the love ends when he starts talking. I wish he would quit smoking too. He has probably been smoking for 40 years !

 

[Big Poppa]

screaming floyd lets not go down the evh path.

shims are fine.

if a train left chicago at 4pm and the same sized train left sanfrancisco....

 

[DrKev]

I can't believe anyone would have action lower than 1.5mm and expect anything other than buzz. What do you guys use for picks? Feathers?

BTW, who was using their abacus in the dark when writing the FAQ pages? Can we get those inch/mm conversions fixed?

 

[dwells]

just play it!

 

[savannah_sean]

just play it!

amen.

 

[ScreaminFloyd]

screaming floyd lets not go down the evh path.

shims are fine.

if a train left chicago at 4pm and the same sized train left sanfrancisco....

Sorry Big guy..

 

[whitestrat]

Just all these things that players say like Eric Johnson stating that taking off the back plate on his Strats increases the tone, or Vanhalen leaving the cavities unfinished on his guitars now so the wood can breath, a lot of people buy into these stories but the bottom line is wood is dead and there is nothing breathing at 180 decibels.

But but but... Them alkaline batteries REALLY work better than the dry cell normal ones!!!!!! I swear by it!

For one, they last longer!

 

[whitestrat]

2-Some say a shim will create a gap and this will lower sustain and other say this will reflect the waves back to string increasing sustain
If I had 2 identical axises sounding same I could try if shimming will decrease sustain but for now there is no way for me to test.

You don't need 2 identical Axii. In fact, even with EBMM's vaunted consistency in manufacturing, you'll never get 2 identical guitars of the same make. Wood is wood.

What you do have, is one. Test the same guitar with or without shim. Time the sustain when the amp is on clean mode and not distorted. Then tell us the time differences.

P.S. I take it that at <1.5mm action, you don't bend up much, do you?