EBMM SM-Y2D std bridge vs floyd rose

[Will__]

Hello. I've for a very long time wanted to buy either a Ibanez steve vai guitar or an MM Steve morse. I'm pretty sure i will like the SM better but i kinda want the tremolo system. I've heard that the floyd rose on the SM can only lower pitches, which is a bummer :/

But in other aspects. what are the pros/cons with floyd rose vs std bridge?



Oh and also, what does Y2D stand for

 

[joe web]

the new Y2D floyd versions have a recessed tremolo system, so you can move it upwards as well.
the older versions are sitting on the top.

the hardtail sounds different from the trem version.
the trem has more of this aggressive attack, the hardtail sounds more "woodish" to my ears. it's hard to describe.
the best you can do is, buy both guitars. you can't have enough Y2Ds in your collection.

i do own this two and think about getting another one.

 

[lumberjack]

Hey Will,

First off welcome to the forums. I can help with a few things. I'm sure you would like the Morse. The guys around here that have one really like them. I think the new models can raise pitch as well. So if you are going to buy used make sure it's not one of the older models that has the bridge resting on the body. Tuning with a floyd or changing tunings is a pain with the floyd because of the locking nut. And you can get into discussions about std bridges or fixed bridges having better sustain than floyds etc, etc. Don't forget you can buy a Morse with a fixed bridge.

I've got a suggestion that you might want to look into. Have you considered a MM John Petrucci model. I used to play Ibanez RG's and bought a Petrucci and haven't looked back. It's a very comfortable guitar with a neck that is similar to the Ibanez wizard necks. It has a floating bridge with locking tuners. And the best part....... no locking nut. And it stays in tune with no issues. And as of this time you've got 3 choices. The original design, the BFR model and this years JPX, which is JP's 10 anniversary model. All three have different body designs but all are great.

I'm sure others will be able to help out as well.

Scott

Hello. I've for a very long time wanted to buy either a Ibanez steve vai guitar or an MM Steve morse. I'm pretty sure i will like the SM better but i kinda want the tremolo system. I've heard that the floyd rose on the SM can only lower pitches, which is a bummer :/

But in other aspects. what are the pros/cons with floyd rose vs std bridge?



Oh and also, what does Y2D stand for

 

[Will__]

the new Y2D floyd versions have a recessed tremolo system, so you can move it upwards as well.
the older versions are sitting on the top.

the hardtail sounds different from the trem version.
the trem has more of this aggressive attack, the hardtail sounds more "woodish" to my ears. it's hard to describe.
the best you can do is, buy both guitars. you can't have enough Y2Ds in your collection.

i do own this two and think about getting another one.

So, which year did they switch to the newer tremolo system? Is there a way to know just by looking at it?

 

[joe web]

yes, you can see it.
the switch was late 2009 i think.

 

[Will__]

Hey Will,

First off welcome to the forums. I can help with a few things. I'm sure you would like the Morse. The guys around here that have one really like them. I think the new models can raise pitch as well. So if you are going to buy used make sure it's not one of the older models that has the bridge resting on the body. Tuning with a floyd or changing tunings is a pain with the floyd because of the locking nut. And you can get into discussions about std bridges or fixed bridges having better sustain than floyds etc, etc. Don't forget you can buy a Morse with a fixed bridge.

I've got a suggestion that you might want to look into. Have you considered a MM John Petrucci model. I used to play Ibanez RG's and bought a Petrucci and haven't looked back. It's a very comfortable guitar with a neck that is similar to the Ibanez wizard necks. It has a floating bridge with locking tuners. And the best part....... no locking nut. And it stays in tune with no issues. And as of this time you've got 3 choices. The original design, the BFR model and this years JPX, which is JP's 10 anniversary model. All three have different body designs but all are great.

I'm sure others will be able to help out as well.

Scott

Thanks

Well. I really like the look of the morse and i like that you can have only a single coil activated. I've always thought,if im going for a EBMM guitar then its either the morse or the JP.The only JPs i really like is the new JPX and the BFR's but both of those are pretty expensive and hard to get.

 

[Roubster]

All my guitars have had trems on them before, but when I got my Y2D hardtail I honestly dont even look for the trem bar. I still love my trem equipped Silo Special, but the hardtail just has such a nice ring to it and the whole guitar just vibrates for days haha. You cant go wrong with either of course.

 

[joe web]

here is a picture of the new trem version.

 

[Will__]

here is a picture of the new trem version.

Aah okay


When i listen to this [ame=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=44-q_flFb-k&feature=related]YouTube - Ernie Ball - Steve Morse Talks With Sterling Ball #3[/ame] i get these reactions:

The Y2D sounds thicker and less brittle than the silver SM

The No 1. sounds pretty much like the Y2D but slightly "woodier" (this can surely be explained by the age of the no 1? the y2d is probably new made in that video)

But the thin/brittle sounding silver std, is that a normal "reaction" of equipping a tremolo system? I definately like the sound of the y2d better.

 

[joe web]

yes, the fixed bridge sounds "woodier".
but i can not say, that my tremo version sounds thin.

 

[littlephil]

The Y2D sounds thicker and less brittle than the silver SM

The No 1. sounds pretty much like the Y2D but slightly "woodier" (this can surely be explained by the age of the no 1? the y2d is probably new made in that video)

But the thin/brittle sounding silver std, is that a normal "reaction" of equipping a tremolo system? I definately like the sound of the y2d better.

It will vary from guitar to guitar as well, which is why Steve still uses the No. 1 today, the body and neck just work together perfectly. You can get 2 of the exact same guitar and play them side by side, and they can sound quite different, simply because they are made from different pieces of wood.

There will always be differences when you compare a hardtail to a trem equipped guitar, but that doesn't mean that all trem equipped guitars will sound thin and brittle.

 

[Razzle]

Oh and also, what does Y2D stand for

Was this ever answered?

These are all beautiful Morse's by the way.

 

[Benji Peterson]

I think it's for the year 2000. I could be wrong.

 

[joe web]

Year 2 Decades - afaik
steve had been with EBMM since twenty years as they introduced the Y2D.

 

[Razzle]

Year 2 Decades - afaik
steve had been with EBMM since twenty years as they introduced the Y2D.

thanks Joe! I buy it. That's pretty cryptic - but I like it.