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ScoobySteve

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I wanted to write this review because of two things. I only got to play the 25th ONCE for 3minutes and decided to trade in my JP blind to Pete to get this bad boy. I was sold on the guitar based on the Neck position in Series mode. Wonderfully melodic and warm but also searing lead sound.

However after playing, practicing, some minor recording and weekly gigging for six months with the 25th my eyes have opened quite a bit.

I was so sold on the way the guitar handled in series mode, but to be totally honest, I have been playing the 25th almost exclusively in parallel now.

Don't get me wrong, series mode is great. Helps me get sweet, fat, and round tones for my clean rhythm sections, and melting faces at the neck and bridge position on high-gain settings made separating from my JP a breeze...

But! The 25th and its settings in parallel is where it shines. In my opinion of course.

There isn't a single position I don't love. Yes, I said love, and not like. First of all, its hard to find a HH guitar that can quack. And the 25th can quack at both split positions at 2 and 4, but what impresses me most about the 25th and in parallel is how it responds to...

Pick attack.

THIS IS VERY IMPORTANT TO ME. It amazes me how I can have my amp and stompboxes to generate blues level gains, fuzz gains, vintage crunch, modern crunch, and overdriven high-gain, and even CLEAN LEVELS and still able to have such precise control over my tone and gain at the tip of my pick. It's remarkable. Phrasing and voicing is important to anyone who wants to make sure the notes and chords they strike are clear and articulate even if its distorted.

Having that precise pickup response when rocking out at the bridge position in parallel gives you such diversity in your playing. It makes you a more methodical and careful picker, and a better guitar player just by playing it. Yes at first, I had to struggle with the guitar and mix-match stompbox positions, amp settings, etc to get the right sounds I wanted, but once I was able to carefully identify the tones I really, really liked (I'm a massive EJ nuthead and purist, chasing tone is a vain and unfortunate weakness of mine) and I found MANY I enjoyed with this guitar. I can't stop playing lead tones in the neck position. It's addicting!

I use positions 2,3,4 for basic clean tones. 2 and 4 for lead cleans, and 3 and sometimes 4 for rhythm cleans. And they sound just pristine. I add some compression for increased sustain, minor delay and chorus and I have lushness that could make a tone purist blush. But with that aside I just wanted to say if you want an axe that can practically do it all, get the reflex. I honestly don't know of a genre this can't do. .
It will require patience and mixing-matching and practice on your part, but it gives you something many guitar manufacturers have tried to offer and have failed at: a guitar that is more than a one trick pony and does its various jobs very, very well.

I could go on, but I'll just hurt your eyes with more text. Pull the trigger!

-Scooby
 

zombywoof

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I concur to this great review and would add that on top of its versatility, the 25th is also very good looking!
When it comes out as the Reflex and in a variety of colors, I think that this guitar may start a little revolution in the guitar world.
Just give time for the mouth to ear process to go on and the knowledge of its qualities will spread...
As a 25th owner, I feel like someone who would have bought a stratocaster in 1954! Not totally new since the telecaster was already there as an electric but different enough to change the guitar world!
 

bbake1

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I've just had mine for a few days now and can only echo what has been said. I'm sure I will only be more impressed as time goes on.
 

dannymusic

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Thanks for the headsup nice tone report.

I too played one at GC and came up with one thought...

...as soon as they offer a piezo on it, I will have one.
 

colinboy

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The 25th is that that special alright and i cant agree more with steves review of it above.i also love the feel of the neck on the 25th even more so than my JP.
 

Jack FFR1846

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Great descriptions, Steve. Now that you're out of school and have all this free time (I still remember how I had all this free time when I graduated), you should review other guitars too. It's always good to get different perspectives on how a guitar works for you.

Is that Firemist JP your old one? (not that I'm going to take a look at it next week, or anything....)
 

ScoobySteve

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Nah, I had a JP in MD w/ BFR RW Neck. I believe a forumite (Josh O) I think picked it up.

And yes, I've seen the Orange Firemist on Pete's site, that is TOOO tempting.
 

the24thfret

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The 25th sounds fantastic, I fully concur... I would've picked one up by now, but I just can't seriously consider a guitar without 24 frets!!! I know I'm crazy, but time and time again I fail to bond with 22 fret guitars... :(
 

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The 25th sounds fantastic, I fully concur... I would've picked one up by now, but I just can't seriously consider a guitar without 24 frets!!! I know I'm crazy, but time and time again I fail to bond with 22 fret guitars... :(

don't knock it til you've tried it!
 

PeteDuBaldo

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Steve,

I'm with you on how great the parallel cleans sound! I find myself playing that guitar more and more, although mostly at home - I haven't yet figured out how to properly integrate it with my live setup, although I have played it at a few gigs. There are still some kinks I need to iron out because it sounds incredibly different than my '02 JP6.
 

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+1 for the parallel cleans. The bridge in series is where it's at for serious thrash. Definitely doesn't sound like a JP6 at all. Has a warmer tone to it and not as high of output.

I also like the pickups a little farther away from the strings on my 25th. Tends to open up the tone a bit and adds some separation to chords so you can hear each of the strings on its own, especially when using medium to high gain settings.
 

bbake1

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I also like the pickups a little farther away from the strings on my 25th. Tends to open up the tone a bit and adds some separation to chords so you can hear each of the strings on its own, especially when using medium to high gain settings.
+1 Same here. I'm impressed more and more each day on how well this guitars sounds and what I am able to get out of it. It feels and sounds sooooo good.
 

Renfield

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I've bought mine used several months ago and i can dub every word you say.
There's only one thing that disapoints me - every new guitar that i try sucks comparing to reflex :D
 
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