I think the 210XST spec's out as 30 Hz, and used a pair with various 5-strings for a while. It works, but subjectively I prefer 15" drivers in the mix. The 210XST cabs like to be pushed in order to sound best, and in the upper end of their volume range they like flat EQ, I needed to mind the bass EQ to avoid reaching some limits. I have since moved on to tuned-down 4's (DGCF) and a 210 + 215 setup. I think the pair of 210XST's hung with the 5'ers, technically, but I really didn't have much use for the notes below D. I also think the output of the 210's seemed to disappear in the mix with a pair of 210's in those lowest notes, although the "mid-neck" notes were very sweet, but kind of imbalanced to me. Let your ears tell you, and you'll only hear the right thing in your intended use situation, a few times if possible. I'm done with 5'ers, but it would be interesting to see what a 212XLT or a pair of them would do.
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r goldsmith
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Iv'e found the Eden D210XST works best when paired with another punchier sounding cab to boost the mids. Then you get the best of both worlds. For me that was usually a D210XLT, but nowadays I'm running a D112XLT as the second cab, mainly for reasons of weight/portability. Plus it's a great "grab and go" cab on its own for rehearsals.
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I just picked up on this thread...I run an *old* SWR 2x10 (back when eden made the swr cabs...) with my MM5. This is the *old* 2x10 that was vented out the rear (yes, I am a dinosaur...), and it's frequency response isn't anwhere near down to 30hz. I use the Eden WP-100 preamp into one of those new Crown XTi power amps. The amp has a DSP that lets me set up a high-pass filter--I knock out everything below about 15 hz or so. That way I can really crank up the rig without worrying about blowing the 10s from those super-low frequencies that get generated by pushing the strings around, etc--it sounds great, even though the cab isn't rated anywhere near 30hz. I've found that pushing the cab a bit really makes that low B stand out.
On the other hand, this rig is designed to sit on a stand pointed at me while the mains do the heavy lifting. It probably wouldn't fill anything but the smallest rooms by itself very well. Yes, the XTi is overkill--but I only use one channel, it's light, and has the DSP, which is why I use it.
On the other hand, this rig is designed to sit on a stand pointed at me while the mains do the heavy lifting. It probably wouldn't fill anything but the smallest rooms by itself very well. Yes, the XTi is overkill--but I only use one channel, it's light, and has the DSP, which is why I use it.
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Nobody tried some Phil Jones cabinets with Sr5's? (or other EB goodies)
Im so curious how that sounds. 8 or more 5 inch speakers and a 1000 watt head.
I can't find them here in Holland. (apart from the small amps)
Im so curious how that sounds. 8 or more 5 inch speakers and a 1000 watt head.
I can't find them here in Holland. (apart from the small amps)
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Bergantino HS210. I use it w/ my Aguilar DB750 and my Aguilar AG500 w/ my Stingray5HH and it kills!!
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Interesting that you say the HS210 can handle the low B note, which I believe is about 30hz. I notice the HS210 only advertised to go down to 44hz.
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Bergantino makes magic cabs.
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+1000. That HS210 handles a Low F too!!
Jimmyb
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Isn't it usually the case where they quote the frequency range given on a certain variance from a standard dB reading? i.e 44-1200Hz +/-3dB.
Old_Guy
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Obviously I'm too late. But - about to add an ext cab to my SWR S.R., and am heavily leaning towards Avatar with the new neo's (probably the 1-12). Like our friend Jack, I was raised on 15's (used to run an extension 15 with a Portaflex, back when we lived in caves and hunted woolly mammoth between gigs) but then again you had to play with a pick way close to the bridge if you wanted to cut through.
The Avatar B210 also comes with the new Deltalite 10s. Anyone have feedback (pun intended) on that setup?
The Avatar B210 also comes with the new Deltalite 10s. Anyone have feedback (pun intended) on that setup?
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backagain1
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I think so. I didn't see the frequency response curve. Perhaps that's what is going on. I remember seeing that one of the Eden cabinets is rated as extending to a lower frequency, in the 30's.
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Notes have a lot more frequency content than just the fundamental, and folks have different ideas of "handling a low B". Depends what you are looking for, and what matters in your playing environment. My guess is perhaps the rolloff of the lowest frequencies isn't always noticed because of a number of reasons <insert physics here>...
I tend to think of the low D as about the lowest practical note (for me). I know other folks use lower notes, and love em etc. I figured if I found myself in a situation where I needed any lower, I'd pull out some sort of octave effect, or justify a 5'er or BEAD tuning or something, and see where that goes--hasn't happened yet. As a matter of fact, I have on occasion shifted some stuff up an octave to work better in the mix. It seemed funny to me to haul around a bigger bass with an extra string for that moment when I "needed" the lowest notes, and that never really happened for me.
I love deep bass, but I have in the past found the requirement for a cab to "go to 30Hz" limiting since there aren't that many that bother--it's not a magic spec for a cab to sound good. My 215 technically doesn't go as low as my 210, but it definitely adds the meaty bass component to the sound. The two cabs together match my desired tone without having to work the EQ from flat... That perspective didn't sink in until I was using the gear in the moment.
I tend to think of the low D as about the lowest practical note (for me). I know other folks use lower notes, and love em etc. I figured if I found myself in a situation where I needed any lower, I'd pull out some sort of octave effect, or justify a 5'er or BEAD tuning or something, and see where that goes--hasn't happened yet. As a matter of fact, I have on occasion shifted some stuff up an octave to work better in the mix. It seemed funny to me to haul around a bigger bass with an extra string for that moment when I "needed" the lowest notes, and that never really happened for me.
I love deep bass, but I have in the past found the requirement for a cab to "go to 30Hz" limiting since there aren't that many that bother--it's not a magic spec for a cab to sound good. My 215 technically doesn't go as low as my 210, but it definitely adds the meaty bass component to the sound. The two cabs together match my desired tone without having to work the EQ from flat... That perspective didn't sink in until I was using the gear in the moment.
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i haven't tried markbass yet, but here's a big +1 for the Eden 210XST. I love mine. I never heard that much bottom coming out of 2 tens.
backagain1
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Good point! I think that's probably correct. I've seen posts here regarding how good some 2x10 cab sounds with the low B string, but when I research the cabinet, it isn't rated to go down that low.
That's generally true for me too, although I do go down to the low C# on one song. I still love my 5-string, though, since I like the sound of a low E, F, or G on the 5th string better than the sound of those same notes on the 4th string.
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