30th Ann Stingray - Australia

[qwertul]

Hey all
Wondering if the 30th Ann Stingray will make its way to Australia?

I've emailed around but no reply as yet and its been a few days.

I imagine if they did come here obviously it wouldnt be any time soon as they have only been out for a lil while in the US

cheers fellas

 

[Big Poppa]

Hey Welcome!
There will be 30th in Australia if I have to swim them over....well not quite

 

[Rod Trussbroken]

Where are you in Aust qwertul?

 

[kevin]

Good Morning everybody.....Rest asured 30th's are on the way, we will be shipping out numerous starting in early July. You may want to contact our distributor CMC Music in order to check on availability. I'll include their contact info below. Feel free to e-mail me direct if you have any other questions at all. [email protected]

CMC Music
P: 011-973-21-1005
[email protected]

 

[qwertul]

westside yo lol

when is the latest date to order one of these? I'm just about to finish paying off a NV610 and one of these is next!! I just dont know how quickly i can come up with the money... speaking of money, how much will they cost?

 

[Colin]

how much will they cost?

drop me an email or pm and I'll tell you the rrp. We don't post new prices on the forum. Welcome to the forum btw.

 

[Penguin]

http://www.cmcmusic.com.au/what's new

CMC are pretty good to deal with. I've emailed them plenty of times about Bongo's and they always reply within 2 days with a detailed response. I've also been told if a particular colour or model is in the country, but in another state for example, they will get it and send it to your closest dealer. I don't know if this is a normal thing, but I haven't seen it before.

I'm getting a Bongo next, but I'm afraid I may change my mind if I get to play a 30th SR. And if I really want something, I get it. Which means forking out loads more money than a Bongo

 

[Aussie Mark]

http://www.cmcmusic.com.au/what's new(

AUD$4500 (US$3300)? Ouch!

There is no import duty on basses coming into Australia. There is only a 10% GST. Shipping for a single bass in a case from the US to Australia is around US$200 (so a corporate account shipping in bulk can ship for much less per item). Even if you add a distributor margin of 25% and a retailer margin of 25% (in actual fact, I'd imagine they get less than that), that still leaves another $1000 unexplained when compared to US prices.

At those prices, someone in the distribution chain must be paying off a Rolls Royce.

 

[Beth]

Hey Mark,

If you're in Indonesia, why don't you order one through our Indonesian distributor, PT Bahanna Nada Gemilang?

-Beth

 

[qwertul]

thats the RRP, surely the selling price will be a little less? one can only hope

 

[Aussie Mark]

Hey Mark,

If you're in Indonesia, why don't you order one through our Indonesian distributor, PT Bahanna Nada Gemilang?

Simple, Beth. Guitars and basses are considered "luxury items" in Indonesia, so are subject to a 45% import duty. With 15% sales tax and 10% GST added, that's 70% for a start, even before everybody in the multi layer Indonesian distribution system gets their cut. So the prices are even more obscene than the overinflated Australian prices.

In these days of a global economy I'm still amazed at the price premiums on EBMM instruments in any country other than the US. Sales of new EBMM instruments will always struggle outside the US until your international distribution network is made more efficient, in terms of both cost, availability of product, and delivery time. You guys are all smart cookies, so I'm surprised that EBMM are prolonging this outdated distribution model. I know you can't do anything about import duties and taxes, but when your international distributors are getting what is obviously a large margin for what amounts to just taking orders (they're certainly not being paid for the use of their warehouse space, as there's never much stock on hand) something is very wrong with the model you use to go to market internationally.

Rant over

 

[Big Poppa]

Simple, Beth. Guitars and basses are considered "luxury items" in Indonesia, so are subject to a 45% import duty. With 15% sales tax and 10% GST added, that's 70% for a start, even before everybody in the multi layer Indonesian distribution system gets their cut. So the prices are even more obscene than the overinflated Australian prices.

In these days of a global economy I'm still amazed at the price premiums on EBMM instruments in any country other than the US. Sales of new EBMM instruments will always struggle outside the US until your international distribution network is made more efficient, in terms of both cost, availability of product, and delivery time. You guys are all smart cookies, so I'm surprised that EBMM are prolonging this outdated distribution model. I know you can't do anything about import duties and taxes, but when your international distributors are getting what is obviously a large margin for what amounts to just taking orders (they're certainly not being paid for the use of their warehouse space, as there's never much stock on hand) something is very wrong with the model you use to go to market internationally.
rant over
Hey Mark

Rant not over. Let me start by bursting your bubble. We showed Rolls Burgandy with Tort at the unveiling of the BMW/Rolls Royce colors.


Do you really think that we are this stupid? That we would allow Australians to get hosed by distribution? Do you really think that you know more than the entire team at EB an CMC? Are we the only expensive American made import? Is it a conspiracy or is there more to international business than you may have a surface grasp of? Do you think that the lack of inventory is due to a greedy distributor or low production?

Mark...Im responding because people that work with me cant say what they feel about your way out of line and illinformed posts and how you are projecting extravangence and greed that we are encouraging, which couldn't be further from the truth. Newsflash! Imported product with proper distribution will be more expensive than country of orgin product. Something is very wrong with our model of distribution...you dont understand it.

I love that you think that we are struggling. The only struggle we have is supplying the demand for our great international distributors.

Take a break from self appointed international business critic and maybe you may learn something.

 

[Aussie Mark]

Thanks for taking the time to reply BP. I respect your business acumen, since EBMM are a great success story, but I guess we'll have to beg to differ on your international distribution model. Apologies for thread hijack.

 

[Steve Dude Barr]

I respect your business acumen

I don't see much "respect" in your posts above.

 

[Steve Dude Barr]

when your international distributors are getting what is obviously a large margin for what amounts to just taking orders

I bet their international distributors would wet their pants laughing at the assumption Mark. They do indeed need to pay their overhead including warehousing, staffing, insurance etc...

What about warranty work? If an Australian or UK customer has a warranty issue they don't call SLO, they call their retailer who calls the distributor and the distributor handles warranty work in their country.

You're version is FAR too simplistic and shows lack of knowledge of the big picture.

What about marketing, advertising, promotion, and artist relations within their distribution networks?

 

[Aussie Mark]

I don't see much "respect" in your posts above.

BP's big enough to look after himself Steve.

 

[Aussie Mark]

What about marketing, advertising, promotion, and artist relations within their distribution networks?

Agreed, plenty of that stuff happens in the US. YMMV in other countries.

 

[Steve Dude Barr]

ps: For as much as you have bemoand this issue on this and my site ad nauseum at every given opportunity I'd be willing to bet you wouldn't buy a new EBMM even at new "USA Street Price" even if you could.

You and I both know that new EBMM's do get grey marketed into other countries by either unscrupulous dealers or through 3rd party intervention and you know that if you wanted one that bad you could find a means to do so.

 

[Steve Dude Barr]

BP's big enough to look after himself Steve.

I'm not sticking up for BP...I know he's plenty big enough to stick up for himself and you can go piss up a burning rope for that condescending remark. You should know me better than that by now I would think. If I agreed with your assumtions and calculations I'd say so and you know that!

I frankly am just sick to death of your moaning over this issue, especially considering your obvious ignorance or avoidance to the facts and figures involved.

Are you going to sit there and tell me that it's only EBMM's that are so "grossly inflated" in your country???

What's the price tag on a new Fender or Gibson or any other US made instrument down there???

What about fluctuations in currency exhange rates?? I know for a fact as the importer and distributor of a UK product here in the US that I have lost about 35% of my gross margins on that product in the past 5 years due to exchange rate changes...yes, I said 35% loss in margins....now leaves me in the single digits on that line and the only reason I can afford to maintain that line is because of my almost non-existant overhead. Now on top of that I have some guy here in the US who has reverse engineered that product with some minor alterations (enough to cover his tracks at least) and selling units at half the cost I can offer the UK product at.

 

[Aussie Mark]

ps: For as much as you have bemoand this issue on this and my site ad nauseum at every given opportunity I'd be willing to bet you wouldn't buy a new EBMM even at new "USA Street Price" even if you could.

FYI, my Bongo and trans red Stingray were both purchased new in Australia from authorised dealers. My black Stingray was puchased used from the US on ebay. My pre-EB fretless SR was purchased from consignment stock in a store in Australia.

And if I was living in Australia again, I would most definitely be in the market for a new two pickup SR and/or a 30th Anniversary, at the best price I could find. Unfortunately, receiving expensive items through Customs into Indonesia is too risky (lots of items never arrive) and hugely expensive.