A Metal EBMM Guitar Should be MADE??

[D.K.]

Come on, I think that technically speaking JP is too subtle and classically sounding to be a "true in Your face metal guitar". It is perfect for progressive metal - but that in itself often is much more about subtlety, than power, speed and agressive playing.

To me it is just a wonderful rather dark sounding guitar that suits everything, but deffinitely not a metal monster. I believe Axis qualifies much more to be "the raw metal axe".

Just my 2 cents...

 

[lenny]

I dont consider half the Bands on that list to be METAL....and 80 pecent of em play a strat or a Gibby....Im with Beej ...i thought i knew what metal was ...but i guess according to the list i do not!...Van Halen ,AC/DC ,Jimi Hendrix and Guns and Roses,Aerosmith ,Queen and Kiss are NOT metal to me ....I guess you better go get a Paul Stanley Model to kick it up a notch hahahaha

 

[Nitsuj]

Come on, I think that technically speaking JP is too subtle and classically sounding to be a "true in Your face metal guitar". It is perfect for progressive metal - but that in itself often is much more about subtlety, than power, speed and agressive playing.

To me it is just a wonderful rather dark sounding guitar that suits everything, but deffinitely not a metal monster. I believe Axis qualifies much more to be "the raw metal axe".

Just my 2 cents...

If there's a musicman that can give me chugga chugga Testament right outa the box, I'll take it.

 

[Ripper]

Azazaels a dick

Haha. No offense to aza, but this is funny! Haha

 

[Voo]

I think dwells' point is being overlooked here. The JP is great for what it does, and yes guys like Bulb swap out the pickups for that chug chug chug tone; but what dwells seems to be dwelling (i couldnt help myself on that one) is that stock from the factory there is no guitar specifically geared for the metal player

 

[Lou]

How many metal guitars would EBMM sell? That's what it comes down to. I think fan forums on the internet are wonderful things, but we all forget to look outside of our sandbox here. There are many companies that produce 'metal' guitars. One company cannot be all things to all people. EBMM has a direction they are moving in. The tone block(20th), Chambering on the 25th, the game changer. They are progressive in pursuit of tone. What they won't do is go down a road that has no merit for them: see green guitars, sparkle finishes, etc. Till then, swap out the pickups in your guitar for EMGs and scoop the mids. Horns up!

 

[fbecir]

I used to think I knew what metal was. Now I dunno.

A long time ago, Iron Maiden, Motorhead, Black Sabbath ... were just called "Hard Rock Bands". My first concert was Motorhead in 1983 (and after that Ozzy Osbourne with Jack E Lee).
I have seen Venom (the inventor of Black Metal) in 1984 with a small unknown band who opened the show (how was call this band oh yeah I remember, it was a little band called Metallica ). All these bands were just "Hard Rock" (that means for most of the people : bad music for bad guys ).

After that, people started to called them Trash, Metal and so on ... But it's just bullsh*t. People need to belong to something, so they start making some "sects" and after that you have the endless discussion : no this band is not proto-trash-black-metal but only proto-goth-metal.
Take any guitar : if you have the attitude, you will sound how you want to sound.

 

[Crimson Sunrise]

I think dwells' point is being overlooked here. The JP is great for what it does, and yes guys like Bulb swap out the pickups for that chug chug chug tone; but what dwells seems to be dwelling (i couldnt help myself on that one) is that stock from the factory there is no guitar specifically geared for the metal player

That is what so many ppl of this thread seem to overlook.

You got so many ppl here that are so defensive about the JP6. God knows, that just about everyone here is well aware that it's a really nice guitar that can obviously handle some metal. But, what you, me, and dwells are trying to say is that it would be cool for EBMM to produce a guitar almost exclusively for METAL.

I find it funny how many here are like "the JP6 is too metal!". For one, the JP6 has a floating trem.....that right there keeps it from being this. The JP6 is more of a shredder's axe than anything. A "true" metal guitar would need to have a hardtail for easy detuning and the guitar would be strictly looked upon for metal rhythm tones alone. (with the occasionally solo)...but more for that wall of sound. Where as the lead player in the band could back'em up with a JP6 for instance.

 

[JP7Nomad]

For what it's worth, if EBMM released a model with EMG's, I'd stay way the hell away from it. And I'm a primarily metal player.

I don't feel like you need overly hot pickups and a floyd rose with a paper thin neck to play metal -- it works for some, but it's not the universal solution. Just look at Jon Schaffer - he uses Les Pauls with low/medium output pickups and gets some of the best metal tones ever.

I think EBMM offers enough for the metal market - it's simply a matter of finding whatever works for you best in that regard.

 

[Crimson Sunrise]

How many metal guitars would EBMM sell? That's what it comes down to. I think fan forums on the internet are wonderful things, but we all forget to look outside of our sandbox here. There are many companies that produce 'metal' guitars. One company cannot be all things to all people. EBMM has a direction they are moving in. The tone block(20th), Chambering on the 25th, the game changer. They are progressive in pursuit of tone. What they won't do is go down a road that has no merit for them: see green guitars, sparkle finishes, etc. Till then, swap out the pickups in your guitar for EMGs and scoop the mids. Horns up!

EBMM would sell plenty, if the guitar was designed right and priced right. Don't tell me that it's beyond their scope or whatever the case. Because I feel that EBMM NEED to produce more new models, in order to stay competitive. I honestly feel that they should increase their range of models available. I KNOW it's something that could be done. They wouldn't be making the guitar for a certain player. This guitar would have a set number of a few features and would only need a handful of colors. You would not need a bunch of different models with different features pertaining to that model. Just your "meat & potatoes" type of guitar. It could be done with success, I think.

 

[ProtoChicken]

Though I get where Dwells is coming from, it seems to me that given today's options when it comes to high gain amps, that any guitar with even moderately hot pickups can be used as a great metal guitar. Whether it's mainstream like Boogie, boutique like Bogner, or somewhere in between like an Engl it's not that hard (thought it is pricey) to find an amp that will turn any humbucking guitar into a metal machine. It's much harder to find the amp with the metal tone your looking for than it is to find one that is metal enough, well at least for me it is.

Also the metal genre is so diverse it's hard to know exactly what metal means to who. Ok, I'm off to crank Piece Of Mind now that the baby's asleep.

 

[Crimson Sunrise]

It seems to me, that a lot of people in this thread feel that EBMM doesn't NEED to produce another new model of guitar? That is totally bizarre to me. It's like Henry Ford and the Model T..."lets just keep producing the same damn thing over and over".

I'm not saying that they need to introduce 10 new models or something. I just think that there is room for a couple to add to the stable of EBMM guitars. This would not be a bad thing. To me, it is necessary.

 

[e.mate]

...yet, still I don't get it.

Is it about the appearance? There's so many different Metal guitar players out there, using all sorts of guitars. Take Zakk Wylde...is he a metal guitar player? I'd probably say yes. I think he uses a kind of Les Paul style guitar....with EMGs

So you say hardtail....okay. I saw a 15-year old kid abusing a drop-tuned ASS hardtail through a Rectifier....and brothers, believe me, if that wasn't Metal I don't know what it is

 

[kneeoh]

Hmmm...

Axis
ASS
Silo
SS
Morse
Y2D
Luke
Albert Lee
25th/Reflex
JP 6/7
BFR JP 6/7/Baritone
BFR Luke
BFR Al

... yeah, I guess there are just too few choices...

 

[Crimson Sunrise]

Hmmm...

Axis
ASS
Silo
SS
Morse
Y2D
Luke
Albert Lee
25th/Reflex
JP 6/7
BFR JP 6/7/Baritone
BFR Luke
BFR Al

... yeah, I guess there are just too few choices...

....and you're rolling your eyes at me????? Uh no...it's more like:

Axis
JP
Luke
Albert Lee
Steve Morse
Silo
25th (limited to one year technically...and was a good move on EBMM's part)

So that's really 6 models. Don't even try to mention their variants...because that isn't what we're talking about.

 

[Nitsuj]

It seems to me, that a lot of people in this thread feel that EBMM doesn't NEED to produce another new model of guitar? That is totally bizarre to me. It's like Henry Ford and the Model T..."lets just keep producing the same damn thing over and over".

I'm not saying that they need to introduce 10 new models or something. I just think that there is room for a couple to add to the stable of EBMM guitars. This would not be a bad thing. To me, it is necessary.

Electric guitars really have not changed much for the past 50 years or so. There isn't an Apple-like guitar company out there where you see rapid improvements in sound and construction. Until that happens, it still is the same damn piece of wood.

The guitar player is better off practicing to sound more metal with whatever guitar they're using. The minor modifications on existing models are just icing on the cake.

 

[dannymusic]

now I get it!!!!!

stickerz!

 

[Nitsuj]

That's what I'm talking bout ..100% \m/!

 

[kneeoh]

....and you're rolling your eyes at me????? Uh no...it's more like:

Axis
JP
Luke
Albert Lee
Steve Morse
Silo
25th (limited to one year technically...and was a good move on EBMM's part)

So that's really 6 models. Don't even try to mention their variants...because that isn't what we're talking about.

Don't get so defensive... I'm merely pointing out that EBMM has not been putting out the same thing. Yes they are variants on existing models but those variation make a huge difference in the guitar.

Take for instance, the JP vs the BFR JP (which you neglected to mention), they are different shape, different woods and tonally different from each other so in actuality, different guitars.

You may feel EBMM must make more models and that it would be easily profitable for them do to so. What you are neglecting to understand is that it can take years to go from design to finished product, when you take into account choice of wood, pup voicing, scale length, electronics. It's not as simple as asking what a couple of forumers would want, and then building it.

If BP and crew have noted a huge demand for a certain thing, I'm sure they've thought about making it. But the key word is "demand". There really hasn't been a demand for a guitar geared specifically for "metal". If there were, why aren't all guitarist who play metal using the exact same configuration of guitar?

 

[Crimson Sunrise]

Electric guitars really have not changed much for the past 50 years or so. There isn't an Apple-like guitar company out there where you see rapid improvements in sound and construction. Until that happens, it still is the same damn piece of wood.

The guitar player is better off practicing to sound more metal with whatever guitar they're using. The minor modifications on existing models are just icing on the cake.

That type of attitude doesn't sell guitars. I know where you are coming from, but I'm not talking about "redesigning" the electric guitar. I'm talking about maybe producing a couple of new models that would appeal to some who haven't bought an EBMM because of the models available don't appeal to them as much. Remember back in 2008 when John Suhr came out with the Suhr Modern....it was geared to a particular audience. They're selling like hotcakes right now. It's not about reinventing the "wheel". Take the John Petrucci model for instance....look at the waves that it caused. Holy **** did people flock to that guitar and it wasn't just because Petrucci was endorsing it.

I'm just talking about a new body design with a new neck profile. A simple guitar without a whole lot of bells and whistles that can be produced easily and cheaply enough and that will fill up the holes....players that haven't jumped on the EBMM ship yet. You design at guitar that can really appeal to the "metal" crowd for instance and you got something....it'll open up the door for those players to explore other EBMM models.