A Metal EBMM Guitar Should be MADE??

[Crimson Sunrise]

Don't get so defensive... I'm merely pointing out that EBMM has not been putting out the same thing. Yes they are variants on existing models but those variation make a huge difference in the guitar.

Take for instance, the JP vs the BFR JP (which you neglected to mention), they are different shape, different woods and tonally different from each other so in actuality, different guitars.

Oh, but I'm not. I'm just not going to let you derail the point I was making. And, there are in fact 6 base models that all these other models are based off of. And, I just KNEW you were going to bring up the BFR JP......sorry, that is nitpicking.

Yes, it is a different shape.....yet very much a "cousin" of the regular JP6. Doesn't count though...because non-EBMM owners would lump it in as being along the same lines. It's like saying Ford and Mercury models are totally different, when everyone knows that most (if not all) Mercury models are based on Ford designs. Same thing with Toyota/Lexus, Nissan/Infinity, etc.

I'm talking about an entire new "platform" here.

 

[Slingy]

now I get it!!!!!

stickerz!

Those are punk! And punks are even broker than metalheads, they wont buy anything from EBMM.

Seriously though, the metal guitar seems like a huge market. I'd love to see what EBMM could come up with if they were inclined to do so. I'd love to see more active pickups available than on the Luke. But there are plenty of passive face melters out there too.

 

[kneeoh]

Oh, but I'm not. I'm just not going to let you derail the point I was making. And, there are in fact 6 base models that all these other models are based off of. And, I just KNEW you were going to bring up the BFR JP......sorry, that is nitpicking.

Yes, it is a different shape.....yet very much a "cousin" of the regular JP6. Doesn't count though...because non-EBMM owners would lump it in as being along the same lines. It's like saying Ford and Mercury models are totally different, when everyone knows that most (if not all) Mercury models are based on Ford designs. Same thing with Toyota/Lexus, Nissan/Infinity, etc.

I'm talking about an entire new "platform" here.

I understand your point about new platforms. I don't agree. As I had mentioned in my previous post, it takes a lot more to bring a new guitar to market than just asking the opinions of a couple of people who may want something and then build it. Again, is there a widespread demand for said new guitar? If not, why devote a ton of resources to development?

I would seriously like to know what, in your definition and in the definition of the OP, is a "metal" guitar.

 

[Crimson Sunrise]

I find it funny how many people in this thread seem to almost be inclined to argue against the notion of EBMM producing such a model geared to "metal'. Yet, I know for a fact that a little bit more than half of the people in this thread would be BUYING this "new" model without blinking an eye! A totally new EBMM body design? How COULD that be bad? It's be a WIN/WIN! And, hell yes===>I'd be buying one myself.

 

[Crimson Sunrise]

I understand your point about new platforms. I don't agree. As I had mentioned in my previous post, it takes a lot more to bring a new guitar to market than just asking the opinions of a couple of people who may want something and then build it. Again, is there a widespread demand for said new guitar? If not, why devote a ton of resources to development?

I would seriously like to know what, in your definition and in the definition of the OP, is a "metal" guitar.

That's cool if you don't agree. But, there are a lot of metal fans out there. And, EBMM is not known to be associated with metal. Anytime a company might see a hole that is big enough to fill......then, you should in fact fill it.

As far as your last question: I've shared my thoughts enough, on what I personally would envision a metal guitar to be (check out my last number of posts). And, there again....opinions vary. But, one thing I do believe wholeheartedly in, is that this so called "metal" guitar should NOT have a floating trem...but, a hardtail. A "metal" guitar should be more meant for rhythms than anything. If you took a poll, this is probably what would be the majority of views. Think of all the thrash bands, death, hardcore, etc.

 

[telemike]

You have ESP, Desn, BC Rich and Schecter which have "metal" guitars. They have a good lock on the "metal" guitar market. I think the whole "metal" guitar thing is a joke, but that's my opinion.

I don't think EBMM needs to make thse kind of "metal" guitars


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[Crimson Sunrise]

Well, they certainly should not produce anything from the likes of a B.C. Rich....that is for sure.

But, an EBMM flying V would be another platform that I would like to see them do. There are a lot of flying V lover's out there.

As far as the "metal" guitar....I'd could see them doing something similar to a Gibson Explorer...but, not all pointy and s**t. Hell, I got the design in my head right now. I'm just giving the EBMM R&D guys credit. I have total faith in them....that they could take a Gibson Explorer and make an EBMM design that they could call their own.

 

[kneeoh]

That's cool if you don't agree. But, there are a lot of metal fans out there. And, EBMM is not known to be associated with metal. Anytime a company might see a hole that is big enough to fill......then, you should in fact fill it.

As far as your last question: I've shared my thoughts enough, on what I personally would envision a metal guitar to be (check out my last number of posts). And, there again....opinions vary. But, one thing I do believe wholeheartedly in, is that this so called "metal" guitar should NOT have a floating trem...but, a hardtail. A "metal" guitar should be more meant for rhythms than anything. If you took a poll, this is probably what would be the majority of views. Think of all the thrash bands, death, hardcore, etc.

Again, I see your point. I am in fact a metal fan, but I personally don't feel there is a need for a guitar fashioned specifically for metal (though I tend to agree with you on the hard tail business). What I'm saying is that metal, in all its various forms has be made by musicians playing a myriad of different guitars in a myriad of different configurations (including floating trems - think Children of Bodom). As you, yourself has said, "opinions vary". So, how do you create a new line that is all things to everyone who plays a specific genre? I, for one, wouldn't want a guitar that is geared toward any one thing - am I then forced to use it for that one thing?

As far as new instruments, yes, it is win/win whenever EBMM comes out with something new, but I'd rather see them focus on producing instruments that are geared to doing many things rather than being pidgeon-holed into making "blues guitars", or "metal guitars", or "country guitars" like, for example B.C Rich which is for all intents and purposes, metal. I think EBMM reaches a lot larger number of musicians with what they produce already.

 

[koogie2k]

Wow....

I am as metal as they come....was into Black Metal before it was coined the term. Venom was close to Black metal, but, were not...they just had at that time some intense lyrics....however....to each his own.

I want someone to explain to me WTF a "Metal Guitar" really is. The guitar in of itself does not make it or you metal. Your playing does. I can get the exact same idea on a recorder with any, and I mean any, guitar/bass.

I have seen tons of bands, extreme metal bands, that have used EBMM. One of my favorites was Suffocation. Dude used a JP. So, not sure of the point.

Each guitar/bass EBMM produces can do whatever genre of music you want. I found it funny how certain models were "pigeon holed" to a certain genre. Your opinion and that is all that is....your opinion.

Still...one has to really define what a "Metal Guitar" is for me. I see opinions of what people "think" one should be...but...I am curious for someone to actually point to a model and tell me -"That is a metal guitar" and I will show you how you can play to blues or even a classical piece on it. Not so "metal"
anymore.

It is cool to dream about a guitar built to your needs and wants. I already have mine....in my BONGO....that I play METAL on. Well...it does look metal now doesn't it?!?!?!?!

EDIT - Those BC's "look" metal and that is about it....they are, IMHO, hot trash. I hate them and I have owned them before.....

 

[Crimson Sunrise]

Again, I see your point. I am in fact a metal fan, but I personally don't feel there is a need for a guitar fashioned specifically for metal

Well, that's fine...but, I do feel that there is a need for them to do this. We'll just have to agree to disagree. But, I am in agreement with you on the fact that EBMM current models do reach a lot of people already. I think all of their current models serve a good purpose. And, I tend to agree with about everything they do. I thought the 25th was a great design....extremely good way to celebrate their 25 years.

 

[Dante]

kneeoh, you are on my "no" list . and people screaming JP6 is a metal guiitar need to go out and buy some real metal. up until now, the only guitar out there that's really capable of being turned into a metal guitar is the steve morse. that bridge is so stock it isn't funny anymore.

and of course, it's worth saying again: no T-O-Ms, no EMGs, no pointy guitars.

also, the JP6 hangs completely wrong on me, i have to hold the neck up in order to lower the body and have my right hand sitting propperly on the bridge. i'm a rhythm player btw.

i'm buying a USA Kelly sometime soon, although i have no plans to stop playing MM. the bottom line is, even though there is a market out there, EBMM has no interest in making guitars, or doesn't think it's a fight worth fighting. fortunately, even the most passionate knucklehead is free to cheat on his favorite brand.

(but an AL with emgs, ebony board on a petrucci neck with a TOM would be a start!)

EDIT: the ****ing irony is, on the street, alot of people think ebmm is metal...

here is the felon, ALs mean cousin.

 

[Crimson Sunrise]

What I'm saying is that metal, in all its various forms has be made by musicians playing a myriad of different guitars in a myriad of different configurations (including floating trems - think Children of Bodom).

And, I hear ya on this too. I'm just speaking of a "metal" guitar design that could appeal to the majority of all metal fans. I'm thinking of MASS appeal.

 

[kneeoh]

kneeoh, you are on my "no" list .

WTF does that mean?

 

[azazael]

Well, that's fine...but, I do feel that there is a need for them to do this. We'll just have to agree to disagree. But, I am in agreement with you on the fact that EBMM current models do reach a lot of people already. I think all of their current models serve a good purpose. And, I tend to agree with about everything they do. I thought the 25th was a great design....extremely good way to celebrate their 25 years.

I don't think its a necessity at all.
Most "metal players" are just kiddies and they would never be able to afford an EBMM guitar anyway.

Personally if Dudley felt the need to blurt out something pointy and "metally" just to appease a trend then I would have lost all respect for EBMM.

The simple fact is there are guitars for metal players and there are guitars for grown ups.

 

[roburado]

I've stayed out of the fray on this one, because I'm not sure how I feel about the issue. Personally, I think it's fine if people want a more "metal" sound out of what they can get from a JP or JP BFR. I kind of get the point, because sometimes I feel the same thing. Would I necessarily want an EBMM guitar that could get more metal? Well, I don't know. I suppose that would depend on what else it could do, how it played, how it sounded, etc. I certainly would have to wait and see what it would be like. Would I support the guitar and the company that produces it? Absolutely, I'm a Knucklehead after all.

 

[Crimson Sunrise]

The simple fact is there are guitars for metal players and there are guitars for grown ups.

I'm sorry, but that isn't really fair.

Music is music. Metal can be very one-dimensional and then again, it can be very complex and inspiring. It's just another texture. Just another color among the many other colors available on the palate(sp?).

 

[kneeoh]

I'm sorry, but that isn't really fair.

Music is music. Metal can be very one-dimensional and then again, it can be very complex and inspiring. It's just another texture. Just another color among the many other colors available on the palette(sp?).

Fixed

palate=roof of your mouth

 

[roburado]

Well, they certainly should not produce anything from the likes of a B.C. Rich....that is for sure.

But, an EBMM flying V would be another platform that I would like to see them do. There are a lot of flying V lover's out there.

As far as the "metal" guitar....I'd could see them doing something similar to a Gibson Explorer...but, not all pointy and s**t. Hell, I got the design in my head right now. I'm just giving the EBMM R&D guys credit. I have total faith in them....that they could take a Gibson Explorer and make an EBMM design that they could call their own.

I don't know how I'd want an EBMM metal guitar to look, but I don't think I'm particularly interested in a V or an Explorer. Those have been done many times before. I don't think they'd be interested in doing something like that, but what do I know? I'm not the one in charge.

Again, I see your point. I am in fact a metal fan, but I personally don't feel there is a need for a guitar fashioned specifically for metal (though I tend to agree with you on the hard tail business).

Personally, I would love to see a hardtail JP, which I think I said in another thread.

I don't think its a necessity at all.
Most "metal players" are just kiddies and they would never be able to afford an EBMM guitar anyway.

Personally if Dudley felt the need to blurt out something pointy and "metally" just to appease a trend then I would have lost all respect for EBMM.

The simple fact is there are guitars for metal players and there are guitars for grown ups.

Is a "metal" guitar necessarily going to be a cheap one? If a "metal" guitar is a low-rent guitar, I'm not interested.

 

[Crimson Sunrise]

Fixed

palate=roof of your mouth

Thank you.

 

[Dante]

I don't think its a necessity at all.
Most "metal players" are just kiddies and they would never be able to afford an EBMM guitar anyway.

Personally if Dudley felt the need to blurt out something pointy and "metally" just to appease a trend then I would have lost all respect for EBMM.

The simple fact is there are guitars for metal players and there are guitars for grown ups.

see, this is why you're on my no list. i'm 25. i have 1200 dollars of disposable income every month. almost everyone who got taken for the metal ride in the 90s in around my age, emplyoed and doing ok. kids are listening to hip hop today. i think the percentage of players playing metal is normally the same across the age spectrum, with sloppy people giving up because metal demands alot of practice. one more time: kids like hip hop, numbing and immediate satisfaction.

when you say kids can't afford an EBMM, you are almost right. the correct answer is: anyone who doesn't really care for guitar playing will never pay what an EBMM costs. a mad-for-it kid will do paper rounds till he drops dead, mow lawns, wash the car, whatever, till he gets what he wants.

and i find that last sentece a bit insulting.