Advice needed Part 2....

[Smellybum]

Since I am in a "Can't think for myself" frame of mind....

Please help!


I have the following amp setup - which I like but I am having FX Problems becaue my marshall will only take a processor in the fx loop, and i now only use pedals.

Is there a general opinion to arrange the following pedals to reduce noise /get the best sound ???
Thanks in advance, smelly.

TS9 Tubescreamer.
Rotomachine Line6 Leslie emu
Line6 Echo Park delay
Sabine Tuner pedal
Boss Super Chorus CH1
Behringer Tremelo
Beringer AB Box
Beringher Acoustic emu
<<EB WAH>> - coming soon!
Rocktron Short timer delay.


I have a marshall TSL601 and a fender Hot rod deluxe, at present all pedals are in a line then to the AB box and fine on the fender but marshall sounds like sh!t when on the boost channels.

Any advice welcome!

Thanks.

 

[roburado]

Here's Robert Keeley's opinion.

EFFECT PEDAL ORDER AND PLACEMENT

Q: Is there a specific order my effects should go in?

A: Yes and no. There are some guidelines that can be followed to make sure odd things don't happen. There have been times when a compressor after a delay pedal or reverb unit has caused some bad (good?) effects, there have been brilliant moves to place effects in certain orders that break most rules, but below is a guideline I came up with and was published in Musician's Hotline Magazine. Nice things is it gives you a way, a phrase to memorize so that when you're on the road, you can get it right if you pick up a new effect.
Placing effects in a logical order will help! This list of effects order is just a general guideline. Some of the best and most unique guitar tones have been created by breaking the rules! You guys need a head start at good tone right?! A way to make life easy right?! I came up with a little phrase to help remember the order because even I forget. Ask yourself this when you wonder about effects order or placement: Which Chain Of Effect Pedals Makes Life Easy? All you have to do is remember this phase and which letter corresponds to which type of effect. Wah -> Which, Compressor -> Chain, Overdrive -> Of, EQ -> Effect, Pitch -> Pedals, Modulation -> Make, Level -> Life, Echo -> Easy. I like to see wah pedals and sometimes even phasers as the first effect after the guitar. We�ll call these Wah effects (yes even the phaser). Wah pedals boost a frequency you sweep to with your foot and phasers cut or notch a frequency that is swept to electronically. Distortion pedals make interesting response changes to the boost or cut from these sweep pedals. Compressors typically go next although I like them after distortion pedals in many cases if the compressor is clean and transparent enough. Compression after distortion has two effects that I really like. First, the noise floor is lower because the noise from a compressor isn�t being amplified and distorted by the overdrive pedal. Second, there appears to be more sustain. There is one draw back that some people notice and that is a darker, warmer tone. Some folks might prefer a more conventional, brighter tone. Next comes Overdrive or distortion. Equalizer pedals can go next. They are commonly used for a boost pedal if they can be turned on and off, or used to shape the tone of the distortion pedal. Pitch changing pedals, Vibrato for example; go next for the simple reason that many distortion pedals can�t handle the many pitches at one time. Try strumming a complex chord with your distortion pedal on, say a C7#9#11. Modulation effects go next such as chorus and flanging go next. Level pedals that control the volume go next in many cases. This would include tremolo, volume pedals (great at this point in the effects chain because it cuts all the hiss going to your amp), noise gates and limiters. Since compression is a limiter in many cases and this is why it works post-distortion by the way. Echo effects go last. These include delay and reverb. A sample effects board might contain these effects: Guitar -> Wah, Compressor, Overdrive, EQ, Vibrato, Chorus, Tremolo, Volume Pedal, and Delay-> Amp.

 

[Astrofreq]

That is a great answer. The only thing I would add to that is if you are running that many pedals, get a noise reducer. The ISP Decimator is supposed to be really good.

I agree on many respects that pedals into a head sounds bad. Just way too much coloring. I use a Tech 21 powered cabinet to avoid the need of plugging into a head. I don't know how the Marshall head works specifically, but you could try plugging your pedals into the RETURN on the effects loop instead of the input, thereby passing the preamp. It has different results on different amps, but it's easy to try.

 

[roburado]

TS9 Tubescreamer.
Rotomachine Line6 Leslie emu
Line6 Echo Park delay
Sabine Tuner pedal
Boss Super Chorus CH1
Behringer Tremelo
Beringer AB Box
Beringher Acoustic emu
<<EB WAH>> - coming soon!
Rocktron Short timer delay.


I have a marshall TSL601 and a fender Hot rod deluxe, at present all pedals are in a line then to the AB box and fine on the fender but marshall sounds like sh!t when on the boost channels.

Any advice welcome!

Thanks.

So, if you want to follow Keeley's advice, then, I guess we have
What (Wah)EB Wah
Chain (Compressor)- [no compressor]
Of (Overdrive/Distortion)- TS9
Effects (EQ)- Beringher Acoustic emu (I assume it's based upon EQ)
Pedals (Pitch) - Rotomachine Line6 Leslie emu
Makes (Modulation) - Boss Super Chorus CH1
Life (Level) - Behringer Tremelo
Easy (Echo) - Line6 Echo Park delay, Rocktron delay (in no particular order)

I've never had a tuner pedal. So, I don't know where that ought to go. Keeley doesn't comment on the tuner either. I would guess the tuner ought to go first.

 

[Tim O'Sullivan]

If the tuner is first, you can use it as a mute.

 

[pjc812]

The boost channel on the Marshall JCM series sucks period IMO.

 

[Rossie]

Tuner for the tuner out of the VP?

 

[Tim O'Sullivan]

The boost channel on the Marshall JCM series sucks period IMO.

The lead channel of the JCM900's are very harsh unless you know how to tame it. Its funny that that the JCM sound on my Line 6 is smoother and less harsh than the real thing!