Basswood BFR JP a possibility?

[kneeoh]

EB can produce a guitar with or without JP, proved by the Axis line of guitars without Van Halen's approval.

I guess I'm seeing it differently.

Different situation...

The EVH was actually designed and called the Axis prior to EVH coming on board. EBMM had the design patents on the guitar so when he left, it reverted back to its old name. No approval needed to sell the guitar.

 

[mesavox]

I guess I just think it's a little goofy that you guys are saying that EB will only make the BFR in basswood if JP let's them. I love EB as everyone else does but I can't see that as fact. I can understand the desire to sell only what the artist plays but ultimately, at least what I'm saying is, EB can produce a guitar with or without JP, proved by the Axis line of guitars without Van Halen's approval.

I guess I'm seeing it differently.

You may think we're goofy for saying it, but we're just saying what BP has basically been saying for years when people ask about why they can't get this or that option on their JP.

Some people wanted different pickups at first... they thought, What's so hard about slapping in different pickups on what is already a basically custom to order instrument anyway? BP said that besides the cost, he's not putting pickups in the guitar that JP doesn't want.

People wanted the an unpainted neck on the BFR. Same thing... JPs are painted... so are the ones you'll be able to buy.

It doesn't really matter if you see it as fact... it's been a typical response of BP's for years. We've been here long enough to be able to anticipate certain answers.

The Axis has nothing to do with Van Halen except that it was the VH model before he left the company. He left, changes were made (wider neck, switch placement), and it was renamed the Axis. It wasn't the Axis before, it's not the VH model after.

If JP leaves EB for some reason... the current JP model guitars as they look will not go with him. As popular as they are, they'd likely be renamed, the signature taken off... and some more standard type features replacing the JP needs features. No inquiry would be made to John asking for his approval on changes at that point.

Another example... The revamped Morse guitar.... it was not released until Steve approved the final version. As much as we all loved some of the prototype versions... when Steve wanted something else, well... it didn't come out the way we wanted... and there was much complaining about some of the final changes that weren't anticipated as I recall. Now, what is offered is gorgeous, and people that build guitars do tend to know what they are doing, but there were a lot of features on the prototypes that were really lamented at their demise. How much did we matter over Steve's wishes? ZILCH

It seems to me that if there was really anything to clear up that BP hasn't said a hundred times before... he'd be in here telling it how it is like he often does... but, he often doesn't repeat himself until someone gets rather ridiculous in their comments and claims. I think the forum vets.. who know a million times more than I do about the history of this company are saying things that are accepted truths, and a couple of people are arguing with them because they are refusing to read specific answers that are the same no matter how you phrase the question.

The reason that is frustrating is, a new guy asks a question and people answer, and it takes off into a pretty pointless argument. The fact is... a basswood BFR shape guitar is not going to be offered unless either intensive market research shows ridiculous demand for it, or JP says so. Whether or not it's a replacement for the current JP or an addition next to it is totally irrelevant to the answer.

 

[beej]

Great response man. That's pretty much how I see it, too

 

[rmh925]

Well i guess this has nothing to do with the guitar made of basswood, but John has been using some solid color BFR with the same woods of all BFR's (i assume) now those i would not mind them being available for us, but Oh well if the man don't want it... I'm happy with what's available.....

 

[mesavox]

Well i guess this has nothing to do with the guitar made of basswood, but John has been using some solid color BFR with the same woods of all BFR's (i assume) now those i would not mind them being available for us, but Oh well if the man don't want it... I'm happy with what's available.....

He has two... One is a Dargie Delight BFR and the other is a black with Gold hardware like the Limited Edition BFR. They are one offs for him... Now, solid colors on the standard BFR, I can see being offered some day because they are expanding the colors available as it is, and perhaps a slightly less expensive BFR could be offered if JP keeps playing his, asking for more, and if the market shows a decent demand for it. This sort of thing isn't really a thing we'd ever know about until it's announced... i.e. it's a lot harder for any possible answer to be anticipated like the basswood thing. lol

Still, I wouldn't get my hopes up... The quilts and flames are pretty popular. Still, if EB ever comes accross a great selection of maple that just wouldn't be suited for one of those pretty tops... they may decide to slap some paint over it and sell a few BFR standards perhaps. lol

 

[petruccirocks02]

Dargie BFR JP all the way!!!!!! Haha.

-Phil