Off Topic Battle of the micro amps

[Movielife]

Hey guys/girls

Ive been testing various micro amps recently. I already own the Markbass LMIII, and I LOVE it.

However, I wanted something else as well. I had put some posts up about the Genz Shuttle 9.0. Well, it turned up, and as much as I tried to like it....I didnt. It missed warmth, and I tweaked and tweaked. Maybe Im just not a hi fi tone guy, (after all, I tend to be into tube amps like the Orange AD200b Mk3).

So, following some QC issues with the 9.0, (and I must mention great customer service from Genz) Ive sent it back, and I have a TC Electronic RH450 + RC4 Floor Pedal + RH450 Bag on order.

I have been GASSING for the RH450 for a while, and once I read into it, it seems its the amp for me. Ive heard it, seen it, but not had chance to fiddle with it.

So now....I am just waiting

Anyone had chance to play the RH450? Apparently, its 450watts are very very loud, and it has a special circuit that stops the amp clipping, so it reacts more like a tube amp. Recent tests show its basically very truthful with its wattage, unlike many other amp manufacturers.

I cannot wait to test the Stingrays through it.

 

[strummer]

Yep I run a 450 and two boxes, 212 and 210. It's a handy little setup, loud as anything and the three presets are very convenient. Tuner works well, as does the comressor and rube-emulator for some distortion.

 

[Movielife]

All those features are exactly why I went for it, plus TC seem to always make things that work so well.

Im thinking of going for a RS210 + 210, or 210 + 212 at some point.

 

[ZiggyDude]

Acoustic Mini 260 vs. Ampeg SVT Mini stack

I did a review the other week and posted it on TB and the Unofficial Acoustic WebSite. I was not sure that anyone here would be interested - but since the thread came up - here ya go!

I have recently noticed that the new trend is for manufacturers to bring out “Mini-Stacks” of bass gear. I don’t know when all this started though I do remember Marshall minis out for some time and a friend of mine (and TBL member) at one time had an Ashdown Perfect 10 mini. In some ways they seem to capture attention because they are cute. Lets face it – cuteness in bass and guitar amps. Luckily they aren’t painted pink.

I had heard that Guitar Center (GC) had both an Ampeg SVT and Acoustic mini stacks. I could not help but be curious. Though I was having a total case of GAS and wanted to get something I can also say there was a bit of practicality. This was also driven a bit by need as I was not totally happy with my small practice amp. I have several 1x15 vintage Acoustic combos that work great for even a loud band practice – but at 80 pounds or more are a pain to haul about. Sometimes I want something that I can carry in one hand and the bass in the other. Currently the job is being done by a USA made SLM Ampeg BA112 (single 12 at 50 watts). It works pretty well but does not really have the volume needed. It is also a bit “tinny” sounding. So – off to GC!

I finally got a GC guy to help and dragged the two stacks together. They are about the same exact size. The Ampeg sports two 10” speakers and the Acoustic one. The Ampeg cab is 8 ohms and the Acoustic 4. The Ampeg head 200 watts into 4 ohms and the Acoustic 100 watts into 4 ohms. Ampeg price is $600, the Acoustic is $300. You can buy the Ampeg pieces separately at $300 each while the Acoustic is a set.

I was using a Music Man HH 5 stingray and a MM “Big Albert” on sale at the store to test. I also tried some MarkBass and GK small amps – but they are outside the scope of this article.

I started with the Ampeg. The tone was very articulate and you could really hear the subtleties of how you played the notes. It was a bit shy in low end thump. Turning the bass knob almost all the way up helped that a lot but I was not really happy with the rumble factor. Volume was enough to annoy people at the shop. I was able to turn the head most of the way up before I started getting speaker farts. The cabinet has a second input jack to allow running two cabs on the stack – just like the original SVT. At this point you get the 200 watts.

Plugging in the Acoustic was a bit of a revelation. You are immediately hit with a very deep voiced cabinet. I dare say it actually has a similar tone to the reflex 18s. The mid range control seemed to be at the proper frequency to carve out mids or add presence. The treble control also gave the Acoustic a tone close to the Ampeg. Volume was about the same as the Ampeg but you began to get speaker farts with the volume control at 5. Adding or subtracting bass affects volume. I also noticed that the cone of the speaker was white!! That was a nice touch – though it is recessed behind the grill pretty far and hard to see.

At one point I drove both the Ampeg and Acoustic speaker with the Ampeg head. It filled out the tone some but the Ampeg cab tended to dominate. I switched back and forth between the amps until I got ear fatigue. So I took a break and planned to come back the next day. In doing so I also brought my Alembic Rogue 5 string to see how a bass I knew would sound and also give the amps some 5 string thump. Additionally I brought the Ampeg BA112 to see if either of the minis offered the needed volume that I was looking for.

After playing the amps for an hour I finally came up with these differences. Naturally they are opinion and centered to how I play – but should still serve to describe the equipment.

• All three amps were about the same volume. I could turn the BA112 ALL the way up and max the bass knob. The Acoustic about half way and the Ampeg mini about to 7.
• The BA112 had the least bass – but a wonderful clear tone. The Ampeg was the more articulate and owned the upper and midrange frequencies. The Acoustic sounded the most like “A Big Amp”.
• One of the casters on the Acoustic was bent – probably came that way.
• All the amps handled the B string and active basses well.
• When the Acoustic speaker starts to fart – very bad. The Ampeg mini degrades more gracefully while the true Eminence in the SLM BA112 handled all the amp had to throw at it.
• All the cabs projected pretty well. The Acoustic kept most of the low end as you started to walk away.
• If I was to own both – I would be tempted to put a A/B footswitch to switch amps. While grooving with the rhythm I would run the Acoustic, for a lead switch to the Ampeg. That probably describes the two the best.

Well – despite the lack of volume I had a terrible case of GAS and negotiated a “Ziggy Price” for the Acoustic and got the last one they had which was the floor model. Since the collectable value of the cab is zero I have some mad doctor ideas for the cab someday anyway

A practice with each band and also fooling about the house I have these additional findings on the Acoustic.

Positive:
• Big amp tone
• I tried the 4 ohm head on my 4 ohm 406 wide (2x15) and it was pretty loud. A little hissy. The head is voiced deeper like an Ampeg. Distortion comes in gradually and with a nice grit. I was able to run it flat out – though due to the cheap construction would not suggest it.
• I needed all the volume at practice, but the extra low end helped me hear it. For a very loud practice it may not be enough. For the way some metal bands practice – leave it at home and bring a real amp.
• The head uses a removable power cord
• Headphone output and aux input jacks, great for quiet home practice
• White cone on the speaker.
• Towel bar style handle on the back and two castors.
• Decent long distance projection.
• The bandmates likes the tone and looks. Heck – its cute.

Negative
• One crappy speaker. I suspect a well designed enclosure is what makes the amp work.
• The preamp is hissy if you run headphones and the treble up. Though I have the same problem with the BA112.
• Acoustic of China continues to show its lack of understanding of vintage Acoustic – which is what a mini should look like. The blue stripe is the wrong shade with a tint of green, the head should be the same width cabinet, the logo is on the wrong side of the cab, the cab logo is more gray than white and black, there are two plastic strips on the cab in the same place the real 301 has aluminum and they could at least have been a silver color, the name is all wrong as the original 260 was a guitar amp with two vertical blue stripes and a big blue horn on the cab, the "260" was an attempt to be a small 360 - but they really emulated a 301 cab.etc.
• Construction - there are some really tacky screws holding the plate with the stripe to the cab, one rear caster is bent (waiting for GC to replace the cab).
• This should be an 8 ohm cab with an extension jack just like the Ampeg. At 8 ohms the head would still be able to drive the speaker to distortion and with two cabs you are back to 4 ohms. This would solve the speaker problem while providing some serious thump. I am sure the cab would be affordable and sell. Not offering the ability to run two cabs (like the original 371) is both a technical and sales mistake that borders on stupidity!

Suggested Modifications
Granted that not all of these are possibly cost effective – but ideas regardless
• Fix the negatives
• Ability to run two cabs
• After making the head wider, rearrange controls and add a 5 band graphic EQ – make it look like a mini 370.
• Have the cab handle extend like they do on luggage. One could strap the head and cords on and just roll about.

Well – hopefully not too long winded and providing some fun.

- Ziggy -

 

[five7]

Quite the review. Good job!

 

[MingusBASS]

I work for a TC dealer and just today picked up a Staccato '51 that I'm planning to use on most small/medium gigs and when I play at church. I also own a Markbass Little Mark II, but I've really been digging the TC stuff as of late. I hope to pickup a couple RS112 cabs when we get them in.

I'll let you guys know what I think once I've had a chance to really put the Staccato through it's paces.

 

[LuvMusic]

I had a chance not too long ago to play through a Rebel Head and it was very good. Tone flexibility, size and feature set made a positive impression.

I too am a Markbass LMII owner and am very happy with the amp. I'm also looking to expand my tonal education with some sort of tube amp. It seems micro heads with tube pre's and class D power are the "rage" right now and there is alot going on.

Played a Markbass Tube the other day and really couldn't hear much of a difference between it and my current MB head. Just saw someone got the first two Orange Terror Bass heads in the US (tube pre). Also GK is about ready to release their MB2 Fusion 500 with a tube pre. I'm waiting to see what people have to say about these heads.

On the other hand, I'm really not looking for a gigging amp, looking for something to use at home, in the studio/basement. So, I just may keep looking for an Ampeg B15.

Thinking I'll probably wait for awhile and keep watching the reports.

 

[b-unit]

I still like my Shuttle 6.0 a lot. I have never compared it directly to any other micro amp but its pretty amazing for a 3.5 pound amp. It doesn't have the warmth or sheer booty of my Mesa Big Block 750 but I wouldn't expect it to.