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cyoungnashville

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heres an example of the tones im getting out of big al. im in love. its massive, with just the right amount of girth to growl ratio. this is a quick little "bass up / vocal down" mix i threw together of a typical song from a demo session i played on last week. its a little loose, but i kinda dig that.

some insight into the nashville songwriter "demo sessions":

we spend no more than 20-30 minutes per song on these demos. the songwriter comes in with some kind of worktape (crappy, noisy recording of writer hacking his way thru the tune on acoustic gtr) and a really bare bones number system chord chart. they play the song once, so you can catch the vibe of the tune, and correct all the mistakes they made on the chart. alot of times they just play up to the bridge, because youve already heard the chorus that comes next, haha. everybody goes out from the control room to their stations, chooses their weapon, sits down, and puts their headphones on. a few seconds before the drummer counts it off, they tell you what key they want you to play in, many times its a totally different key than the demo you just heard. the drummer says four, and you are recording. most of the time, we get it on the first take. if you dont get it the first time.... it's ok, no big, take one more. there will not be a third take, so hopefully if you messed up, it was only a chord or two that can quickly be punched. if you need to punch more than a couple chords, or consistently need 3-4-5 takes...... you're recording career is over in nashville. master sessions move much slower, and pay much much better, but theres fewer of them, so everybody does both to fill up their schedules. the demos can be brutal though. its not at all out of the ordinary for me to come home from a solid day (3, 3hour sessions) of demo sessions having recorded 20 songs that ive never heard before in my life. this sound clip is a good example of a "first take". little loose, but good energy. if it was a master recording, we would play it over and over and over, until there was no life left in it at all, cuz apparently, thats what music fans want. all the motown masters, were cut at the same pace our demos are cut. there might be a big lesson there, but no one here seems to get it. i digress..... ON WITH THE BIG AL SHOW!!!!

http://www.thecraigblog.com/media/bigaldemo.m4a
 

kamakazee

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Great tone and nice groove! Amen to not picking through the songs with a fine tooth comb. I hate recording more than once... beating a dead horse...
 

adouglas

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Yet another awesome post.

Further confirmation that I'll never make my living as a musician. I could never hope to keep up with that. Learn a new song on the fly AND have to come up with the right groove and feel instantly? Whew.

In this light, now I REALLY know that I suck. At least we don't need to put chicken wire in front of the stage....

My official tin foil Bongoloid hat is off to you, man.
 

7broccos

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Njce feel and nice amount of funk for a"country" tune.Nice work,much better than some the other sessions players I am hearing in Nashville. Oh yeah,bass does sound great!
 

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Yeah, I was going to ask the same thing: what setting were you on for that tune? It almost sounds like there's a bit of a T-Wah to it.

That tune is really catchy! Great beat, great bassline, good vocals. If that's loose, I can't imagine what your tight sounds like! Love it!
 

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Great post. :)

Tune is catchy and had me tapping my foot (this is from someone who doesn't listen to country music). Very groovy bass line. I like to motif work between the bass and the guitar - very cool :cool:

I have only recorded with bands I am a member of. I don't think I could do this type of work, but I can absolutely appreciate the need for and the huge amount of talent it takes to pull this off. :cool:

Awesome work CYN and thank you for sharing this -- in the words of Oliver "more please" :)

--Ant
 

zuma

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That sounds great! Nice groove everywhere but especially those funky verses. The music may be modern country but that bass is pure funk.

Reading your description of the session...I was with you all the way 'till you said the key signatures change. That would throw me off! Of course, if the rough chord chart was in front of me it would be easy enough to transpose but would I have time is the question!

Again, great tone and great playing.
 

sometypeofplay

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Reading your description of the session...I was with you all the way 'till you said the key signatures change. That would throw me off! Of course, if the rough chord chart was in front of me it would be easy enough to transpose but would I have time is the question!

That's the beauty of the Nashville number system, the key can change on the fly and getting through a chart is not that difficult. Once I figured it out, it made all the sense in the world and made getting through changes in both a live and studio setting a breeze.
 

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"hey Hey HEY!"

And yeah I think I'm going to pack up my s*!t and give up now.

Great cut and the Big Bad@$$ Al sounds frigtastic.

Ya know what I REALLY love? Stuff is getting recorded with EBMM gear. This means THAT awesome tone is going to start getting the mental click recognition that has been reserved for two particular models for so long! What you are doing right now is what is going to make 2010 EBMM basses classics in the next generation. This might be a bit over dramatic but you get the idea. Winning hearts and minds people, winning hearts and minds...
 

OldManMusic

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Inspired playing and killer tone. Man - I've got to practice more...

I did demo work years ago in a San Francisco studio where I worked as a second engineer. I'd usually fill in for the regular bass guy if he wasn't available. But I never gave any demo the flavor that your bass lines did in that song.

Man - I've got to practice more...
 

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By the way, I've gotta say that I really enjoy these posts that give us some insight into real working situations of a professional musician. Thanks!
 
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cyoungnashville

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the bass is a stock big al, no changes to it whatsoever. same strings, setup, stickers, as came from the factory.

for this song i am in active mode, using the middle pick-up. some have said "thats the pbass setting", its not. a friend nailed it on the head other day when he said.."ah, the middle pickup is the pbass KILLER!!". that it is.

take it from someone who has played one of the greatest pbasses ever made, every day, for the last 10 years, this aint no pbass. it has a similar foundation to the bottom end that is like 30 miles wide, but then on top of that, has crazy beautiful complex harmonic overtones that are not possible w a p.

ok, so 75% of the tone is a combination of my fingers, and this bass wanting to kick some a$$. the other 25% is as follows:

big al into markbass tube compressor. this is a MAJOR part of my sound. i have heard people rag on using compression as lazy, or a way to cover up bad technique, on and on and on. dont listen to those people, cause they dont know what the heII theyre talking about. i would plug into a thighmaster if i thought it sounded cool, and inspired me.

i am constantly tweaking the mb comp. sometimes im just slamming it to death, and sometimes its barely kicking in, but its always on.

then, im hitting a ehx bass blogger distortion pedal. switch set to overdrive, but drive turned almost all the way down, so its just breaks up a litte when im really digging in.

then into (a few golden ears picked this out) chunk systems agent 00funk mkii. i am using this very subtly. i want just exactly what happened, "boy it sounds kinda like somethin different, but i cant tell what it is". PERFECT!!! you never want "looks like someone got a memoryman for christmas!". bad.

then into my old frankenstein tube amp i had custom made. it combines my favorite two bass amps into one monster. a 1969 sunn 200s / 1969 fender dual showman. both of those amps are in line at the same time and i can dial in a variable amount of either at any time. its really cool. i came up with the concept, and local genius mark ferguson pulled it off, first try.

on demos, i rarely get to mic up a cabinet, but i still can get a really good "amp sound" by using a hot plate to dummy load my head, then go out of all them beautiful tubes into a radial jensen di, into api pre, straight to tape / disk.


thanks for the tone compliments, and also the playing compliments. its no secret that im not really a "country fan". i hate what they have done to the genre. i really consider myself a "song fan". if its a good song, i dont care what genre / language / era / etc its from. if its good, its good. a lot of the old country music that i actually love, has the funkiest rhythm sections you ever heard. remember "tulsa time" by don williams??? brutal.

im just tryin to put back what the rats stole from us.... emotion. and everyone knows all the emotion in a tune, everything that makes you feel good when you hear it, is in fact.... THE BASSLINE!!!!!
 
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