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madbassplaya

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Boutique Basses or Music Man Basses...

Every now and then I get bad GAS for some type of boutique bass. Something that is flashy and fancy. Usually it happens after I watch a band where the bassist has something that is eye catching. :eek: Nothing wrong with the boutique basses at all and I'm not bashing them, at all! They are beautiful basses that are put together very well and to the owners they are worth every penny.

I was reminded today while talking with a friend why I love owning a Music Man so much. First off, my friend has a hand built custom boutique bass. He bought the bass used and is the 2nd owner. The bass is stunning! It's got all the fancy woods and a 5 piece neck. It's what I've seen some call a "hippie sandwhich." :) So he calls me today is worried about his bass. He noticed it needed a set up so he started to tweak it and realized he had maxed out the truss rod. It plays alright but has a ton of relief in the neck. Much more than any of his other basses and he's gonna have a luthier look at it to see if anything can be done. I know wood differs and can react in different ways, but I've never seen a EBMM maxed out. This bass is less than 10 years old as well and my friend does amazing set up work. I see older Music Man's for sale all the time with fully functioning trussrods. I think another key here is how Big Poppa and crew make sure that the wood they use is as dry as possible. They don't just take someones word for it.

The next thing we talked about is electronics. It amazes me that many builders don't do this in house. I know that some spec out a pickup for their stuff, but some don't even do that. They just use stock pickups that anyone can get. From what I understand, this is not true at EBMM. The engineers there have designed the pickups and preamp from the ground up for each instrument.

Lastly is hardware, specifically the bridge. I don't understand why every boutique builder feels like they can use a Hipshot bridge. I'm sorry but if I'm paying $3-4000 for a bass it better have a bridge design that I can't buy from guitar parts store.

So what is left besides wood, workmanship, and fit & finish? Not much and when it comes to this I'll still put my Bongo against any boutique out there. Every EBMM bass that I have touched has had incredible fit and finish and workmanship. Maybe not the same wood, but I know that it's a quality resonant piece that has been properly prepared.

Other than my friends "Fancy top" I feel our basses are neck & neck in quality. My neck pocket is just as tight as his and his bass cost more used than mine did used. I have a Bongo 5 HH currently and have had several other EBMM basses including Stingrays & Stingray 5's as well and they have all been beautifully crafted instruments. Big Poppa and crew have found a way to do it right without shafting the customer.

Proud to play and own a Music Man bass. :)
 
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dmarotta

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Over the course of my career I've owned quite a few"neck through hippie sandwich basses". How many do I own now?
Not a one.
Should have kept a couple for sliding pizzas into the grill.
 

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I concur with your thoughts. I love my Music Man basses and while there may be other basses that cost more, I get everything out of my Music Man basses.
 

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And you know, I don't begrudge anyone playing what makes their pants jump around. How could I when that's exactly what I myself do? Sure, I sometimes snicker when I see the big money getting passed around for what amounts to a parts bass or one of those true "custom" builds, but it ain't my money, right?

Plus when I want a bass with a fancy top, hey, whaddya know - I GOT ONE.

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So it's all manner of wonderful to look at, but what I really like about it is - it's a Stingray 5. I know how to work one of those. I know what it's going to sound like when I turn the knobs or flip the switch. Me and Stingray 5s are like this: (holding fingers really close together).

I think it's pretty slick that with the special anniversary models (my 25th has a fancy top, too) and the BFRs, we can, if we want, get that kind of look without selling the kids into slavery. And we get basses we already know and love. And if something goes wrong, we know who to talk to - or how to fix it ourselves. Just don't let BP see you with a wrench.
 

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madbassplaya

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Jack, that bass is stellar! Also, you're right on the money! ;)

My wallet and bass playing is very satisfied rocking the EBMM's.
 

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pretty things aren't always the way to go.......you wanna killer 4x4 truck......you buy heavy duty

you wanna killer bass guitar........you buy Music Man


see the heavy duty connotation?
 

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I love MM, but lets be realistic here. Wals and Dingwalls, nuff said.

I am superbly realistic. A friend of mine sent me his Wal a few years back just so I could say I'd played one, spent some time with it, etc etc. Plus I had this idea that the Wal sound I most preferred was one I could pretty much get with my (then spanking new) Bongo 5 HH. It was fun to compare them.

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The Bongo does a pretty good Wal kind of tone if you (a) have a Wal sitting right there for comparison and (b) are willing to go mad scientist with the onboard EQ. Take THAT, Justin Chancellor! I'm not arguing AGAINST Wals, to be clear. I never wanted to send that one back to my buddy (but I did). But I think we also have to compare sales receipts. Well, and availability which at that time was, for the Wal, ZIP. Nada.

Also, if you have a Wal and something goes a little wonky (talk to Oldtoe about this), who you gonna call?

But Wals are great basses. I do agree with that.

Dingwalls - also have some play-time with Sheldon's babies. Good basses. They didn't blow my pants up, tone-wise, but that's pretty subjective anyway. How much do they go for now?

So yeah, to be clear, I'm definitely not going to argue against some people preferring the custom-built instruments, but - for me - even over the two makers you mentioned - I'm sticking with my Music Man basses. And not because I haven't tried/played/owned those other things.

Of course, I'm a company man, through and through, so there's that.
 

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There are plenty of nice instruments out there and it's nice to have choices.

I've never been a huge fan of exotic woods and fancy tops. Sometimes a flame or quilt is nice, but other than that, it's not really my thing.

As for not designing every piece of hardware or electronic component - I don't begrudge any maker for using "standard" parts if they work well. You don't always have to re-invent the wheel. It would be hard for small manufacturers and luthiers to make everything, especially if they are not equipped to do so. If Hipshot makes a good bridge, why not? If Schaller makes good tuners, who's to say they need to be redesigned just because? Now if standard parts are being used, why the high price?

I guess every individual has to decide if their choice instrument(s) provide good value for the money. There are many that do. It's just a matter of preference.
 

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I own two of them fancy wood boutique basses... One is venician red and the other is a beautiful sparkly black... the best part... They're both EBMM's! :) see signature:D
 

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bovinehost said:
That right there. It's just that easy. And what I should have said all along. Because that's what I really think, too.

Thats it In a nut shell

In saying that I am in the process of selling another jazz to fund a fretless SR5 ! Really getting into the fretless stuff but I am missing the low b so I don't use my sr4 as much as I could.

I am going into studio next week and my trusty sr5 will be on at least one track as will my coffee table bass ;-)

Choice is good fellas
 

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I've never been a huge fan of exotic woods and fancy tops. Sometimes a flame or quilt is nice, but other than that, it's not really my thing.

Actually, I take that back. On occasion, I do like the look of some "hippy sandwiches". I'm not a fan of burl tops, but there are some really nice wood combinations out there.
 

madbassplaya

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There are plenty of nice instruments out there and it's nice to have choices.

I've never been a huge fan of exotic woods and fancy tops. Sometimes a flame or quilt is nice, but other than that, it's not really my thing.

As for not designing every piece of hardware or electronic component - I don't begrudge any maker for using "standard" parts if they work well. You don't always have to re-invent the wheel. It would be hard for small manufacturers and luthiers to make everything, especially if they are not equipped to do so. If Hipshot makes a good bridge, why not? If Schaller makes good tuners, who's to say they need to be redesigned just because? Now if standard parts are being used, why the high price?

I guess every individual has to decide if their choice instrument(s) provide good value for the money. There are many that do. It's just a matter of preference.

I agree that every individual needs to decide what is worth their money. For me, a boutique bass that is essentially a glorified parts bass is not worth it. I just have problems with using parts that I could order myself.

The point of my thread was essentially, I feel like I get so much more for my money with Music Man.
 

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Yup, +1 MadPlayer, best bang for your buck, and all from a company that covers a crazy amount of tonal variation, neck variation, body style variation, wood variation, pickup variation, then constantly improving and innovating while staying true to their own core technology, which is prevalent in every model as diverse as they are from another.
Yeah I'm definitely saying + 1 to that. Damn right I'm a freaking fanboi.
 
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