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There certainly are a lot of quick responses to posts that lean toward the negative side. One thing I always try to consider is how well the poster speaks English- there are so many people here from so many countries, many times the comments just don't translate all that well. Sometimes we look like jackasses ourselves when we jump on someone too hard. Post with respect, hopefully get respectful comments back.

So true. Nuance, subtlety, and delicacy are challenging to convey when you have a mastery of the language in which you are writing. When you are still developing in that language, it's nearly impossible. The end result is that things often sound much more harsh than they are intended.

One thing I've noticed is that there seems to be a double standard to an extent - people always say "use emoticons to communicate tone". But what if the tone is one of dismay, disappointment, or anger? The rule around here is essentially "Don't use the sad or angry emoticon if you have an issue". We might not like to see those messages, but they are valid and we should address them. Of course, if somebody is just here to spew, that's something entirely different.

Then there's customer support threads - EBMM doesn't want this forum to be a CS forum, and that's fine. But one thing to recognize is that it is very common for a company to use their forum as a CS venue (I know my company does), so people become accustomed to going to a company's forum when they have issues requiring CS. So when this happens, I think it would behoove all of us to remember to gently remind somebody who mistakes this forum for a CS forum that contacting CS by phone or email is the proper mode of discourse.

Overall, this is a great forum. Well-moderated, well-maintained, and with a strong company presence. It's also got unbridled enthusiasm, which is a double-edged sword. It's fantastic when it's in a positive direction, but it can be a destructive force if not kept in check. We've all got a lot of drive for these great guitars, let's just remember to use our brakes, too. :)
 

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So much for candid feedback.


Was my response not correct? I really thought this was a current thread so my bad that I took exception to a less than accurate recreation of the past. I actually must have hit my head...sorry again...its your thread please continue.
I mistakenly thought that I could give feedback to your feedback.

You are 100% correct and I apologize.
 
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So true. Nuance, subtlety, and delicacy are challenging to convey when you have a mastery of the language in which you are writing. When you are still developing in that language, it's nearly impossible. The end result is that things often sound much more harsh than they are intended.

One thing I've noticed is that there seems to be a double standard to an extent - people always say "use emoticons to communicate tone". But what if the tone is one of dismay, disappointment, or anger? The rule around here is essentially "Don't use the sad or angry emoticon if you have an issue". We might not like to see those messages, but they are valid and we should address them. Of course, if somebody is just here to spew, that's something entirely different.

Then there's customer support threads - EBMM doesn't want this forum to be a CS forum, and that's fine. But one thing to recognize is that it is very common for a company to use their forum as a CS venue (I know my company does), so people become accustomed to going to a company's forum when they have issues requiring CS. So when this happens, I think it would behoove all of us to remember to gently remind somebody who mistakes this forum for a CS forum that contacting CS by phone or email is the proper mode of discourse.

Overall, this is a great forum. Well-moderated, well-maintained, and with a strong company presence. It's also got unbridled enthusiasm, which is a double-edged sword. It's fantastic when it's in a positive direction, but it can be a destructive force if not kept in check. We've all got a lot of drive for these great guitars, let's just remember to use our brakes, too. :)
Great point regarding the 'emotocons"

I have never said use them. Here is the difference between the happy ones and the frowny ones. The degrees of happiness outnumber your ability on the negative side by over 2 to 1. You have a thread that starts out aggressive and hot with a thumbs down and a frowny face with usually a customer service issue. That is just a bad start.

I guess thae best way to explain my disdain for the faces is lets compare i to water

Happy faces= cold water iis cool or icy you know its cold so its good

frowny faces= hot water...is it warm, hot or scalding?..you have two faces top express the degree of unhappiness........
 

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BP - I totally agree - but now we are getting into issues of style. Anywhere you go, if you are a more effective communicator then your messages will be better received. It's always better to err on the side of caution, especially if you're new to a group and not on home turf. That's nothing exclusive to this forum, of course.

But the bottom line - the sad/angry emoticons exist for a reason. People will sometimes come here upset, and while you catch more flies with honey, we know for sure that somebody who will start a thread with a frowny face is somebody who is not afraid to express how they feel. If they don't feel satisfied here, they'll go a 3rd party forum where people aren't pro-EBMM by default, and that's when the real trouble usually begins.

My point is - this is why it's important for people who do really love this company to show their support by being as gracious as possible to guests, even when they drag in a little mud (quite often by accident). Not everybody will have the best manners or the most tact, we can't control that. But if we're as polite as we can be, we'll turn those around who can be turned, and we won't be giving any additional ammo to those who can't. :)
 

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Nope, it's all good baby! :D

I seem to remember a bizarre run-in a while back with a guy with whom I disagreed on a technical matter, and truth be told, if I would have followed my own advice that wouldn't happened. Anyway...

I'm just making observations here based on the few bad threads that pop up from time to time. I just feel bad when I see (for example) a thread get locked and I think that maybe if us regulars had been just a little cooler, a more positive resolution could have been reached. To be clear, that is the exception, not the rule. Most of the time, everything is great! I think the place we're at here is squeezing that last 5-10% to make the atmosphere as nice around here as it could possibly be.
 
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