Raz
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Bastid, too late to take that backPeteDuBaldo said:I know I'm a swell guyKeep on kissing if you want, but my prices are the same
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edensdad
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A little note from the college of business peanut gallery here:
I think manufacturing companies can become too big and lose whatever quality they had when they were mid sized or small. It's like Fender - everybody wants the ones they made in the 1950's and early 1960's when they were smaller and more focused. You never see them making a custom shop relic remake of a 1982 strat, it's always a 1954 or a 1962 or whatever.
I believe EBMM is in their prime - 20, 30, even 50 years from now people will be paying some ungodly ammount of money to get a Radiance Red JP6 or a Morse model. People are even saying the PRS is slipping fast in quality since they've grown, and late 80's and early 1990's PRS are being snapped up.
If the company mass marketed their guitars and suddenly there were 35-50 EBMM axes hanging on the walls in every GC and Sam Ash store, do you think the quality, the "every guitar is as close to perfect as it can be" would remain?
I'm going to hang on to mine, even if it isn't worth 50,000 in twenty years.
>^..^<
I think manufacturing companies can become too big and lose whatever quality they had when they were mid sized or small. It's like Fender - everybody wants the ones they made in the 1950's and early 1960's when they were smaller and more focused. You never see them making a custom shop relic remake of a 1982 strat, it's always a 1954 or a 1962 or whatever.
I believe EBMM is in their prime - 20, 30, even 50 years from now people will be paying some ungodly ammount of money to get a Radiance Red JP6 or a Morse model. People are even saying the PRS is slipping fast in quality since they've grown, and late 80's and early 1990's PRS are being snapped up.
If the company mass marketed their guitars and suddenly there were 35-50 EBMM axes hanging on the walls in every GC and Sam Ash store, do you think the quality, the "every guitar is as close to perfect as it can be" would remain?
I'm going to hang on to mine, even if it isn't worth 50,000 in twenty years.
>^..^<
jimmyp
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I agree in part with Edensdad that small to mid size companies have more control over quality, although to be fair, I don't think PRS have dropped much if any quality wise - most company CEOs would give their left nut to have the reputation for quality they do. I think that one of the problems for EBMM is that when you mention quality to most guitarists, they think of PRS, Anderson, Tyler etc and for some strange reason leave out EBMM who have comparable quality and much more affordable pricing. Maybe this is a good thing as most people see these boutique guitars as a dream, wheras being more affordable means that most people can realistically think about owning a MM (or if you're a forumite, more like 6-7 of them). It's a delicate balancing act to be desirable yet be seen as realistically affordable. However, I still think that more positive publicity and readily available guitars to try could only enhance the reputation of EBMM
mcvinyl
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jimmyp said:It's a delicate balancing act to be desirable yet be seen as realistically affordable.Yes I've found that to be the story of my life
Hm,
some very interesting observations already. I too must admit that I actually hope that EBMM will stay the way it is, that is, producing and crafting splendid guitars. I'm rather sure that is what everybody on this forum wants. On the other hand it is certainly true that lots of guitar players (mostly the young ones that just start of playing) don't want to wait 3 or more months to have their guitar, so they buy what is in stock. Even if they buy an expensive guitar, they will still go for G's or F's. Another interesting question migth be: would demand for EBMM guitars grow out of proportion if they advertise more? I just cannot see the point in all these stores having tens of G's or F's in stock (which get sold eventually, but why do they need all those?).
On the other hand, what better promo can they have when Steve Morse, John Petrucci, Steve Lukather and other superb guitar and bass players are there showing of their chops with a nice EBMM? That's what got me into them actually, not an add or whatsoever.
It would just be nice if guitar stores would have all the different EBMM models in stock so you could try out the different models (and I'm just talking the basic stuff, the piezo and other optional things make things more complicated I guess).
The way I see it, I would like EBMM to make more fuzz about their quality instruments but this should not be coupled to an increased production. I'm sure that waiting for a great instrument is worth the wait. This, together with the fact that only people interested in these instruments and with the knowledge that they are just magnificent, will keep quality high. It is clear that other brands that started with mass production decreased the quality of their products. That is of course what puts EBMM right at the top in my opinion.
Cheers, Tom.
some very interesting observations already. I too must admit that I actually hope that EBMM will stay the way it is, that is, producing and crafting splendid guitars. I'm rather sure that is what everybody on this forum wants. On the other hand it is certainly true that lots of guitar players (mostly the young ones that just start of playing) don't want to wait 3 or more months to have their guitar, so they buy what is in stock. Even if they buy an expensive guitar, they will still go for G's or F's. Another interesting question migth be: would demand for EBMM guitars grow out of proportion if they advertise more? I just cannot see the point in all these stores having tens of G's or F's in stock (which get sold eventually, but why do they need all those?).
On the other hand, what better promo can they have when Steve Morse, John Petrucci, Steve Lukather and other superb guitar and bass players are there showing of their chops with a nice EBMM? That's what got me into them actually, not an add or whatsoever.
It would just be nice if guitar stores would have all the different EBMM models in stock so you could try out the different models (and I'm just talking the basic stuff, the piezo and other optional things make things more complicated I guess).
The way I see it, I would like EBMM to make more fuzz about their quality instruments but this should not be coupled to an increased production. I'm sure that waiting for a great instrument is worth the wait. This, together with the fact that only people interested in these instruments and with the knowledge that they are just magnificent, will keep quality high. It is clear that other brands that started with mass production decreased the quality of their products. That is of course what puts EBMM right at the top in my opinion.
Cheers, Tom.
phatduckk
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i just think it sucks royally that I can't find a store in my general area and see a Silo sitting next to an Axis Super Sport to compare.
i'm a bassist mostly and rember trying to pick between a Sterling and StringRay 4. I walked into GC and played one, then the other and made my decision.
A few months ago i was GASing for a new guitar and didnt have the same opportunity. i was wanting to decide between an Axis SS, JP6 and Silo. Couldn't find a Silo or JP anywhere near me. I had played an Axis SS but actually didnt know where to buy one. Eventually I purchased a JP6 from BassPlyr without having ever seen one ... im definately happy with my JP. tehre was a lot of good info here that helped the decision, but like i said earlier; doing a comparison would have been nice.
Im not wishing stores had every option of each model or anything like that ... but is 1 too much to ask for? as an EBMM fan and as a "person who randomly buys guitars without planning" i find it frustrating
i'm a bassist mostly and rember trying to pick between a Sterling and StringRay 4. I walked into GC and played one, then the other and made my decision.
A few months ago i was GASing for a new guitar and didnt have the same opportunity. i was wanting to decide between an Axis SS, JP6 and Silo. Couldn't find a Silo or JP anywhere near me. I had played an Axis SS but actually didnt know where to buy one. Eventually I purchased a JP6 from BassPlyr without having ever seen one ... im definately happy with my JP. tehre was a lot of good info here that helped the decision, but like i said earlier; doing a comparison would have been nice.
Im not wishing stores had every option of each model or anything like that ... but is 1 too much to ask for? as an EBMM fan and as a "person who randomly buys guitars without planning" i find it frustrating
