Astrofreq
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I've played plenty of EB's in the store that needed a setup although I KNOW they didn't come from the factory like that. Yes, EB makes better guitars overall. We can agree there.
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dwells
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my BFR Luke says custom made on the back of it!! thats good enough for me
Slav123
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No one was complaining about the awesome production EBMM guitars, BP or his unbelievable staff. If you read my comments, I complimented BP and I'm a big fan of his guitars and co. and have been since the 90's. I was just trying to see if there was ever a possibility of a custom on-line or via a retailer option of a production neck matched up to a different production body i.e. a Luke body and hardware with an Axis neck (and to see what others thought about it). Some people just need to read through all of the comments before responding with their deep thoughts stating the obvious. Don't get me wrong, it's cool to express yourself and your love for EBMM guitars but, this is a forum and it should be open for all EBMM guitar related discussions. Some people here have to relax a bit and take a deap breath...
7/21 - The forum member that I was responding to last night Stratty316 deleted his post. I should have quoted him...
Update: You got to love technology and the e-mail notification option!
7/20 10:05 PM EST
Stratty316
" I tend to think of an EBMM as a custom instrument. They are not mass produced on the level that "F" or "G" guitars are. Most of the time you have to order them and you get to choose how You want it, with in reason. Think about it, when was the last time you saw a Silo Special on the wall at your local music store? I agree with BP's stance on keeping the integrity of the "Artist" guitars intact. I hate that other companies slap a name on the headstock and try to tell you it is something special... IMHO, you can only polish a turd so much! I like knowing that what LUKE plays on stage is what I get from Ernie Ball. Yeah, LUKE is going to get some cool stuff that you and I are never going to have access to, but its HIS guitar! I think we are all spoiled by the generosity of the EBMM staff and especially BP and that sometimes we take our obsession too far... maybe even to the point of taking advantage of EBMM. Again, how many Owners of major companies spend as much time communication with their customers? Look at how crazy people are about Apple Computers and Steve Jobs basically pays no attention to the fans... hell, the day after I got my Mac they released a faster model with no advance notice. I don't need an EBMM custom shop and I wouldn't want one... I think as guitar/bass players we are always in search of something in our instruments and often we think that what we can't have is the solution to all our desires. I would say that if you truly want a 1 of a kind EBMM buy one and customize it.
sorry, not meaning to vent... but every time I have had the pleasure of working with the people at EBMM they have been so professional and great that I hate to see the forum stray away from a celebration of a great company and into a list of complaints as to what they can't do. "
Unless this was a brain fart, stand by your words and don't just write whatever to later delete your post...
Slav
7/21 - The forum member that I was responding to last night Stratty316 deleted his post. I should have quoted him...
Update: You got to love technology and the e-mail notification option!
7/20 10:05 PM EST
Stratty316
" I tend to think of an EBMM as a custom instrument. They are not mass produced on the level that "F" or "G" guitars are. Most of the time you have to order them and you get to choose how You want it, with in reason. Think about it, when was the last time you saw a Silo Special on the wall at your local music store? I agree with BP's stance on keeping the integrity of the "Artist" guitars intact. I hate that other companies slap a name on the headstock and try to tell you it is something special... IMHO, you can only polish a turd so much! I like knowing that what LUKE plays on stage is what I get from Ernie Ball. Yeah, LUKE is going to get some cool stuff that you and I are never going to have access to, but its HIS guitar! I think we are all spoiled by the generosity of the EBMM staff and especially BP and that sometimes we take our obsession too far... maybe even to the point of taking advantage of EBMM. Again, how many Owners of major companies spend as much time communication with their customers? Look at how crazy people are about Apple Computers and Steve Jobs basically pays no attention to the fans... hell, the day after I got my Mac they released a faster model with no advance notice. I don't need an EBMM custom shop and I wouldn't want one... I think as guitar/bass players we are always in search of something in our instruments and often we think that what we can't have is the solution to all our desires. I would say that if you truly want a 1 of a kind EBMM buy one and customize it.
sorry, not meaning to vent... but every time I have had the pleasure of working with the people at EBMM they have been so professional and great that I hate to see the forum stray away from a celebration of a great company and into a list of complaints as to what they can't do. "
Unless this was a brain fart, stand by your words and don't just write whatever to later delete your post...
Slav
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Slav123
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weird you say this....here's some of your recent posts....
even weirder....another from you....
haven't you seen the threads about the Sublouette, single coil Axis, re-paints, etc?
Just giving you a hard time....cause it's so easy.
Wow, I guess that he was literally talking out of his SmellyBum...
bovinehost
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Before I shut this down (another Custom Shop Thread bites the dust), I want to reiterate a few things that have been covered more than once.
First, I understand that people join the forum and don't have this vast background information regarding what we talked to death in, say, early 2006. And again in the summer of 2006. Then once more in the winter of 2006. Followed by every month of 2007, only to revisit it around 100 times throughout 2008.
I understand that. Nor does it mean that your Fabulous New Idea sucks. Only that it might not be as fabulous or as new as you think. I tried to get this across in a humorous manner early in this thread, but we're like a dog with a bone. If it's there, we gotta gnaw on it. So be it.
We get an awful lot of inside information, photos, heads-up on new products and innnovations - and a look inside the process. Perhaps that is more than enough. Let me tell you what I think about all this "custom shop" business and the requests for guitars/basses that are not currently being built:
BP has done a magnificent job of running the company. He has put together a staff of designers and engineers and customer service people and sales staff and so on that work hard to make these instruments the best they can be. But that's not enough. Is it? No, because we have 'personal' wants and/or requirements that we would like to see fulfilled, irregardless of whether or not it makes good business sense. So, in effect, every few months (or weeks), we have to have these threads that say, "Nice job, Ernie Ball MusicMan, but what I'd really like to see is this...."
This isn't about some cult of personality around BP or repressing free speech or controlling the message on the forum. Nor is it about walking carefully around Sterling, although - let's face it - if you have to put "BP Don't Hate Me" in the title of your thread, you sort of already know that something is not quite right. But it's way simpler than that.
The Custom Shop issue has been done. If you don't know that it has been beaten to death, I'm telling you now - it's been done. The answers to the questions are available in older posts and threads. BP has talked about it many times and I can read the frustration in his responses to the "new" questions. It has been done.
I'm not as present here on the guitar side as I am over on the bass side, so maybe you don't know me as well as they do, but here's my general outlook on moderating these things - it's Jeffersonian. That is, the moderator who moderates best, moderates least.
I don't enjoy editing posts or closing threads or any of that stuff. But at some point, I have to admit that the horse is dead and we need to stop beating it. I am at that point now with the CS threads.
Thread closed. If you have any questions about this, feel free to PM me, although I do get a lot of PMs and I'm at the point now where I answer some and others I ignore.
Sorry if this seems harsh, but this back and forth and insulting others and so on is just getting on my nerves.
Appreciate what you've got, peeps.
Jack
First, I understand that people join the forum and don't have this vast background information regarding what we talked to death in, say, early 2006. And again in the summer of 2006. Then once more in the winter of 2006. Followed by every month of 2007, only to revisit it around 100 times throughout 2008.
I understand that. Nor does it mean that your Fabulous New Idea sucks. Only that it might not be as fabulous or as new as you think. I tried to get this across in a humorous manner early in this thread, but we're like a dog with a bone. If it's there, we gotta gnaw on it. So be it.
We get an awful lot of inside information, photos, heads-up on new products and innnovations - and a look inside the process. Perhaps that is more than enough. Let me tell you what I think about all this "custom shop" business and the requests for guitars/basses that are not currently being built:
BP has done a magnificent job of running the company. He has put together a staff of designers and engineers and customer service people and sales staff and so on that work hard to make these instruments the best they can be. But that's not enough. Is it? No, because we have 'personal' wants and/or requirements that we would like to see fulfilled, irregardless of whether or not it makes good business sense. So, in effect, every few months (or weeks), we have to have these threads that say, "Nice job, Ernie Ball MusicMan, but what I'd really like to see is this...."
This isn't about some cult of personality around BP or repressing free speech or controlling the message on the forum. Nor is it about walking carefully around Sterling, although - let's face it - if you have to put "BP Don't Hate Me" in the title of your thread, you sort of already know that something is not quite right. But it's way simpler than that.
The Custom Shop issue has been done. If you don't know that it has been beaten to death, I'm telling you now - it's been done. The answers to the questions are available in older posts and threads. BP has talked about it many times and I can read the frustration in his responses to the "new" questions. It has been done.
I'm not as present here on the guitar side as I am over on the bass side, so maybe you don't know me as well as they do, but here's my general outlook on moderating these things - it's Jeffersonian. That is, the moderator who moderates best, moderates least.
I don't enjoy editing posts or closing threads or any of that stuff. But at some point, I have to admit that the horse is dead and we need to stop beating it. I am at that point now with the CS threads.
Thread closed. If you have any questions about this, feel free to PM me, although I do get a lot of PMs and I'm at the point now where I answer some and others I ignore.
Sorry if this seems harsh, but this back and forth and insulting others and so on is just getting on my nerves.
Appreciate what you've got, peeps.
Jack
Big Poppa
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Thanks Jack.
Clarification
If you think its a good idea for a signature guitar to be made to your specs and no longer the artists specs we will never agree. Read that one again
The bfr is not a customer shop instrument it a chance for you beleagured "average Joes" a chance to get rare creations...not custom ordered guitars. Im sorry that this didnt come across..
Slav slamming Smelly was uncalled for. Re posting of a deleted post is chickin spit...not ok here.
The plain honest to goodness truth...talk is cheap keystrokes cheaper....the number of dissatisfied daydreamers who would actually buy the guitar they are campaigning for are few...its mostly hot air.
Clarification
If you think its a good idea for a signature guitar to be made to your specs and no longer the artists specs we will never agree. Read that one again
The bfr is not a customer shop instrument it a chance for you beleagured "average Joes" a chance to get rare creations...not custom ordered guitars. Im sorry that this didnt come across..
Slav slamming Smelly was uncalled for. Re posting of a deleted post is chickin spit...not ok here.
The plain honest to goodness truth...talk is cheap keystrokes cheaper....the number of dissatisfied daydreamers who would actually buy the guitar they are campaigning for are few...its mostly hot air.
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