Big Poppa
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I wonder what you guys though a 10 top maple guitar would cost?
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Rossie
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BP, I think the price for the BFR is worth it, at least according to the MSRP. I wouldn't mind paying the MSRP for a BFR JP F-1.
Didn't mean to be rude, but just by judging the pictures/videos taken at NAMM, the BFR tops are right up there with PRS.
Didn't mean to be rude, but just by judging the pictures/videos taken at NAMM, the BFR tops are right up there with PRS.
SteveB
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I had no idea what to expect for the BFR pricing, but I had no problem with it when I found out. It will certainly be the most expensive guitar that I personally have ever bought (and probably ever will buy), but I have no doubt they will be worth every penny.
roburado
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+1 on all counts.
+1 aswell, I came close when I was going to buy a Diezel VH4, but didn't go through with it. The F-1 will be my most expensive guitar, but I'm sure it will be worth it.
Norrin Radd
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Actually, I thought the MSRP would be about 20% more than what you guys are charging. I've priced out many "competitive" guitars to the BFR series and they all sell for much more than what you guys are asking. I'm personally very impressed that the price is as low as it is (of course, I live in the U.S. so that's one advantage I have!).
Looking forward to the future and a look at the BFR ALs, if indeed they are coming.
SanDimas High School Football rules!!!!
Er, I mean, EBMM rules!
kneeoh
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Missy... I mean Mom... this is Socrates Johnson, Bob Ghengis Khan
I know I must have an F-1 cuz it will be worth it.
rmh925
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I must admit that i was a little scared with the price at first, but if you think about it for the amount of money other companies are charging for an instrument of this quality this is nothing, and i prefer EBMM over anyone else.....So with that i made the decision to order one.... Just recently got a quote from a dealer, and i was very statified with the price...
with the price at first, but if you think about it for the amount of money other companies are charging for an instrument of this quality this is nothing, and i prefer EBMM over anyone else.....So with that i made the decision to order one.... Just recently got a quote from a dealer, and i was very statified with the price...Quarter
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The MSRP is about where I thought it would be.
I wonder though just how important a 10 top is for some.
I'd bet that sales of a non BFR regular maple toped Luke and JP would do very well.
It would give you something to do with all those less than 10 tops too.
I wonder though just how important a 10 top is for some.
I'd bet that sales of a non BFR regular maple toped Luke and JP would do very well.
It would give you something to do with all those less than 10 tops too.
lumberjack
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Especially for the folks in Canada. You should price a top 10 PRS. The BFR's are an absolute steal compared to those.
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robelinda2
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i think its a fair price, but i will only be able to afford one this year, and id rather hold off for an Albert Lee BFR. man how my world has changed since i got my Albert!
Not the same cost as changing my 04 RX8 for a new one which is how it stands at the moment at £4000 ($8000!!!!!)! Sorry BP, the car came first.
Regarding cost. I was anticipating £2000-£2500 (which is where custom built Tylers and Andersons retail) which would be the real world price equivalent of the US MSRP as Knox points out. But somewhere over the Atlantic, it seems to double in value for no reason...gutted
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Big Poppa
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Anderson is out of the game. He gave up. Tylers arent a factor on the global scale. I also dont believe that you were comparing apples to oranges. Both Tyler and Anderson 10 tops or top of the line are far greater than ours at retail.
Listen Im not Father Theresa but we arent retiring off the margins of these.
A ball Family Reserve is a premium instrument. THe very best we can offer as far as materials go. The same quality workmanship goes into all of our stuff. We introduced Ball Family Reserve to be able to create unique instruments that would normally go to family or artists. I think that many of you would like to morph it into your custom made model and we just cant do that.
Anderson is out of the game. He gave up. Tylers arent a factor on the global scale. I also dont believe that you were comparing apples to oranges. Both Tyler and Anderson 10 tops or top of the line are far greater than ours at retail.
Listen Im not Father Theresa but we arent retiring off the margins of these.
A ball Family Reserve is a premium instrument. THe very best we can offer as far as materials go. The same quality workmanship goes into all of our stuff. We introduced Ball Family Reserve to be able to create unique instruments that would normally go to family or artists. I think that many of you would like to morph it into your custom made model and we just cant do that.
SteveB
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Not asking for full customisation BP, though the piezo omission on the Luke is disappointing,as is the inability to choose the maple derivative (I hate flame, love quilt), and the price for US customers is fine. Pretty much bang on what I thought it would be. It's the UK price that's galling, and probably not something you have much control over. But the phrase Rip Off Britain is very commonly used on this side of the pond precisely because of the amazing lack of parity in US and UK prices.
Jimmyb
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The cost difference between UK and US markets has been brewing for a while, but it's an unfortunate by-product of living on an island where the market isn't great.
Say you had a product with a wholesale cost of $1000.
If you ship it to a US dealer ($50) then they apply a 50% mark-up you have a product that retals for $1575.
If you ship the same item to the UK, for example ($100, an estimated figure).
The UK wholesaler then has to pay 3% import duty (their costs now $1133)
Working in the exchange rate (it's high now, but it hasn't always been. Plus the actual exchange rate on small-scale financial transactions isn't the rate that gets quoted). So let's say it $1.9 to £1.
The cost to the Wholesaler is £597.
Assuming a mark-up of 25% (again, estimated) and a delivery charge to the dealer of £20 the dealer purchase price becomes £767.
Assuming a dealer mark-up of 50%, this takes the total up to £1150. Now add VAT at 17.5% and you get a retail of £1351. (Equivalent to $2566).
It does seem as though the rest of the world has a raw deal in comparison, but because of all the extra costs that are involved along the way, it actually works out.
The wholesaler in the country has to make a profit, in order to support the instruments that they supply. They take the initial risk of ordering stock (in some cases without pre-orders).
The retail store has to make a profit to cover their overheads (staff, building expenses, stock purchased).
The manufacturer has to make a profit as well, otherwise they'd simply dissapear.
We're just disadvantaged because we don't live in the country of origin.
If you can't afford one (I certainly can't) then fine, but it's not really fair to criticise, when it's not something that BP and the EBMM crew have control over.
There are still plenty of cool EBMM's that we can afford
Say you had a product with a wholesale cost of $1000.
If you ship it to a US dealer ($50) then they apply a 50% mark-up you have a product that retals for $1575.
If you ship the same item to the UK, for example ($100, an estimated figure).
The UK wholesaler then has to pay 3% import duty (their costs now $1133)
Working in the exchange rate (it's high now, but it hasn't always been. Plus the actual exchange rate on small-scale financial transactions isn't the rate that gets quoted). So let's say it $1.9 to £1.
The cost to the Wholesaler is £597.
Assuming a mark-up of 25% (again, estimated) and a delivery charge to the dealer of £20 the dealer purchase price becomes £767.
Assuming a dealer mark-up of 50%, this takes the total up to £1150. Now add VAT at 17.5% and you get a retail of £1351. (Equivalent to $2566).
It does seem as though the rest of the world has a raw deal in comparison, but because of all the extra costs that are involved along the way, it actually works out.
The wholesaler in the country has to make a profit, in order to support the instruments that they supply. They take the initial risk of ordering stock (in some cases without pre-orders).
The retail store has to make a profit to cover their overheads (staff, building expenses, stock purchased).
The manufacturer has to make a profit as well, otherwise they'd simply dissapear.
We're just disadvantaged because we don't live in the country of origin.
If you can't afford one (I certainly can't) then fine, but it's not really fair to criticise, when it's not something that BP and the EBMM crew have control over.
There are still plenty of cool EBMM's that we can afford
But that's not the point. The point is I WANT ONE
I just don't £3995 want one, that's all.
Would it be worth considering direct export sales of very limited guitars like the BFRs to at least keep the RRP in other parts of the world sensible? The problem with % markups is that they create ever increasing price differences the higher the original RRP is. When you get to this kind of level of quality and price, the difference, as we've noted, can be astronomical. To put it in perspective for US forumites, I could almost buy a regular Luke and Axis for the difference between direct exchange and the UK RRP!!!
I just don't £3995 want one, that's all.
Would it be worth considering direct export sales of very limited guitars like the BFRs to at least keep the RRP in other parts of the world sensible? The problem with % markups is that they create ever increasing price differences the higher the original RRP is. When you get to this kind of level of quality and price, the difference, as we've noted, can be astronomical. To put it in perspective for US forumites, I could almost buy a regular Luke and Axis for the difference between direct exchange and the UK RRP!!!
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SteveB
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Well, you've got the overhead of that monarchy to pay for...
Jimmyb
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