It seems a lot of ppl have a beef with EB neck finishes

[cellkirk74]

Within the last two weeks we had temperature changes from about +10°C to -20°C and back up to +10°C on Christmas and -2°C tonight.

Both my Stingray 5 and my Big Al did not move, even when I tokk thm to rehearsals and left them in the cold car for some hours. Necks have to get adjusted from time to time, thats what a bass is like.

 

[oli@bass]

I read through the whole pile of crap. The sheer amount of false information and half truths is depressing. My guess is that a lot of these people were not around back when the StingRay still had a poly finished neck, and did not witness the rave when oil & wax finished necks were introduced on mass produced instruments.

 

[five7]

oil and wax!

 

[the unrepentant]

Within the last two weeks we had temperature changes from about +10°C to -20°C and back up to +10°C on Christmas and -2°C tonight.

Both my Stingray 5 and my Big Al did not move, even when I tokk thm to rehearsals and left them in the cold car for some hours. Necks have to get adjusted from time to time, thats what a bass is like.

We don't get a lot of change in temperature here in the UK, recently it's not strayed much outside of between -2c and 5c, and in the summer it doesn't get too hot, and when it does, it's neither particularly humid nor particularly dry, so my bass necks tend to behave themselves fairly well all year.

 

[Mogee]

On a related note, I just had to make a small adjustment on my Sterling for the first time. Quick question, what is the best way to maintain a BFR rosewood neck?

 

[Grand Wazoo]

It has been said that you care for the rosewood neck in the same way as the unfinished maple ones. oil & wax

 

[projectapollo]

Observations, both ways....

Very interesting thread and reaction from the faithful. Anyhow, my thoughts:

1) Our forum does have a sense of EBMM cheerleading and I find myself reluctant to post any variety of minor MM bass annoyances. Going to DefCon 5 or whatever when an intruder challenges the dogma, in any area of life, is not the kind of folks any of us like to hang around with. Let's not be that person.
2) If I were product development folks at EBMM, I'd be eager for some candid user feedback on this forum. When your best customers feel comfortable in providing constructive feedback -- your product development can only benefit.
3) I know of no other manufacturer's forum that I visit where the owner of the company regularly participates. This is unique and quite cool and creates a real connection with the company.
4) Without cheerleading, the ease of adjusting a MM bass is extremely user-friendly and handy. Its one of my very favorite features.
5) To the folks who complain about needing to tweak your neck -- I find that the biggest effect on the bass neck is my choice of strings. I like to try different strings and each set really effects the relief, a lot. I am amazed. 6) I'm sort of new to the bass world and when I float around TB, my sense is that there is tremendous "fad" thinking going on. Products go in and out of favor in a herd mentaility. Its hard to figure out what products are really truly good out there.
7) Lastly -- and totally unrelated -- I'm thinking about selling either my 25th or Bongo. Just being practical with a kid in college. I'm leaning towards keeping the Bongo. (Plus it has a finished neck!!! Just kidding.) I just love the Bongo. OK -- you can jump on me now.

 

[bovinehost]

1) Our forum does have a sense of EBMM cheerleading and I find myself reluctant to post any variety of minor MM bass annoyances. Going to DefCon 5 or whatever when an intruder challenges the dogma, in any area of life, is not the kind of folks any of us like to hang around with. Let's not be that person.

I think that, for the most part, we aren't that person. It's easy enough to fall into that because so much absolute crap and untruths get posted elsewhere and to try to correct bad information "over there" is simply putting out fires with gasoline. (Name that tune!)

Jack

 

[tommixx]

I think that, for the most part, we aren't that person. It's easy enough to fall into that because so much absolute crap and untruths get posted elsewhere and to try to correct bad information "over there" is simply putting out fires with gasoline. (Name that tune!)

Jack

I read the linked thread and ALMOST responded after someone linked some threads here by jongitarz and took a response BP made about a 25th settling in in the UK totally out of context and offered it as "PROOF" that even EBMM thinks their necks suck...

I currently find myself in a tussle with some guys that are back on the straight truss rod kick as evidence that you apparently should not buy an '83 Ray! Give me a break. I posted a very cool experience I had with EBMM customer service back in 1987 and am still fending off the replies...MAN I hate that place sometimes but I promised to give something back every chance I get...I am finding it harder and harder to open my big mouth lately!

All this was caused by a TOP SESSION guy (LeMarquis Jefferson, a really hip cat and an awesome player and person) asking about a price for an '83 Ray that is on consignment in Atlanta that I happen to know about...

Go figure! God Help them father they know not what they do...

Peace,

T

 

[Big Poppa]

The easiest thing is to say the gang mentality...and the jump on...its the hardst to defend.

Take this thread"Seems like a lot of people have a beef with eb necks"

I went easy on him...really the title is "I prefer glossy necks" Then I offer them and they cost more to make and people criticize us for charging more....

I love the mis quote from me on the 25th...most necks are wood.....they can shift if Fender made it if rickenbacker made it and if it was oil finished or goopy poly....

I will repeat ...You can adust ours...the finished ones and the unfinished ones.

 

[tommixx]

The easiest thing is to say the gang mentality...and the jump on...its the hardst to defend.

Take this thread"Seems like a lot of people have a beef with eb necks"

I went easy on him...really the title is "I prefer glossy necks" Then I offer them and they cost more to make and people criticize us for charging more....

I love the mis quote from me on the 25th...most necks are wood.....they can shift if Fender made it if rickenbacker made it and if it was oil finished or goopy poly....

I will repeat ...You can adust ours...the finished ones and the unfinished ones.

THANK GOD you can adjust them as easily as you can! I know I posted before I did a TV awards show back in November LESS than 2 days after I got my Classic (and people thought you should not have included the spoke wheel) and the weather was horrid! The bass came from SLO (NEXT DAY AIR NO LESS) and it was cold all the way here. I took it out of the box onto a stage in a big tent in the middle of a field in God Knows where South Carolina 3 hours later in 34 or 35 degree temps AND it was raining like hell! 12 hours later I was on a stage in Myrtle Beach playing her after a MINOR tweak of the trussrod...YEAH try that with a 24 hours old Fender coming from God knows where...

I have said it before and I will keep on saying it! Thank you BP and the rest of the crew! Keep doing what you are doing so well, it REALLY is appreciated by the ACTUAL users of your instruments!

Peace,

T

 

[Bloodfist]

Why is that most guitarist prefer a unfinished neck, and the bass players are the ones complaining about not having a finish on the neck? Seems to me that most people who are having problems are living in areas with extreme differences between heat and cold, if thats so then they need to regulate the temperature inside their house better.

 

[Aussie Mark]

Why is that most guitarist prefer a unfinished neck

I'd say there are a few Les Paul and SG players who don't resemble that remark, not to mention the gazillion Strat and Tele owners out there with gloss lacquer finished necks.

 

[maddog]

Why is that most guitarist prefer a unfinished neck, and the bass players are the ones complaining about not having a finish on the neck?

care to share your statistics?

 

[thedude]

Just another reason why I hate Talk Bass. I rarely go there, just because everyone is so opinionated, and close minded. Well I shouldn't say everyone, but it's just an overall elitist attitude that I can't stand. This is what I had to say about it all, if anyone cares:


jzigsjzigs
Registered User

Join Date: Jan 2010
(First post alert)
I know I have pretty much zero credibility at this site, since I am a "newb." I've mostly avoided this site because of an overall elitist attitude that I have perceived, (wrong or right, idk, sorry).
That being said, I think this whole thread is way overblown. I find it very hard to believe previous posts that claim that a bass needs to be adjusted from home to gig. I've owned a Sterling since 2002, and have not needed to adjust it anymore than 3-4 times a year. Each time taking me less than 5 minutes, due to the easy truss rod wheel. Much less usually. I've even brought it to a pro guitar technician after 6 months of no adjustment at all just for his opinion (friend of mine), and he found no adjustment necessary. Even when it is necessary to adjust it, it is so easy to do, I can't understand the controversy.
And yes, my guitar has been exposed to the elements. I live in Minnesota, and have traveled to many gigs in well below freezing weather. Hell, it's -12F now.
Even so, I seem to be in the minority here, but I do prefer the oil finish. It's so much smoother and faster, and I find it to be way more comfortable. I would actually pay more for the "unfinished" (ha) oil neck than one with a lacquer.
But I digress, and I do agree that it would be cool for Musicman to offer a "properly finished neck" (ha), but it's not something that I would prefer.
Feel free to flame me as you feel fit.
Thanks for reading if you made it this far .

 

[Calaveras]

I like the finished neck, its just what I am used to. Thats why I own an older EBMM bass.
I have my eye on an all black sterling though. Its neck is finished as well.

 

[Hellboy]

I think that, for the most part, we aren't that person. It's easy enough to fall into that because so much absolute crap and untruths get posted elsewhere and to try to correct bad information "over there" is simply putting out fires with gasoline. (Name that tune!)

Jack

David Bowie - Cat people.

What did I win...??

//J

 

[Big Poppa]

OK The problem is that when we attack talk bass it just makes it worse. Talk Bass is a open forum (sort of) that many people are very happy with. I dont read it because I just dont have time and I like my blood pressure where it is.

SO many experts and so much misinformation.....The guy sitting back talking about having to adjust your bass from home to gig is full of dog poop.

This is the sweet and sour of the internet. A place for information and a place for misinformation and propoganda....Look what a tool it is for politics...especially dirty politics. If you want to disparage someone fire away...it is with the immunity of the new kryptonite your keyboard. Want desperately to be an expert? All you have to do is type. You dont even have to use all your fingers.

I go back to...Here is what we make. Here is what we charge. WE will offer different things like the classic series and if it costs more to make we will reflect that in the price. I am not Father Teresa. I actually try to make a marginal profit.

Do you think that we would be entering our forth decade making an unstable neck?
2+2 =4...everytime except for some forums.

 

[the unrepentant]

it's the same in the real world, so many people in guitar shops etc etc that think they know it all, they feed some newbie the same old tosh about stingray necks or whatever it is that day and the cycle continues.

 

[maddog]

David Bowie - Cat people.

What did I win...??

//J

Dang. I missed a "Name That Tune" contest.