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Just some of my random thoughts and perspective on the whole signature thing based on my microcosm of experience. lol

I kinda lucked out back in the 90s with JP's switching layout, and wiring fitting my needs so perfectly. It also helped me discover that I need necks that are round on the back, and not flat. I've played every other configuration I can think of in every brand, and JP's guitars are what I need for 99% of what I do and like. That being said... and as I said, I LUCKED out.

The JP works so well for so many, and sells so well, because if you're a shredder, there is no better neck. It's thin, but not flat, has a flatter radius, but still enough curve to fit guys who aren't just shred minded. It has great sounding pickups, and is of course built so well.

Now, all that being said, if I became an EB artist tomorrow, I'd still see if I could get a couple little doodads here and there changed on the guitars I end up with. You see those guys with odd colors, and different pickups... Point? That just goes to show you how specific guitars can be, and how hard it has to be to sell any signature model.

It seems to me that the best scenario all around would be, if Johnie wants a few changes, they can whip him up a few, mostly stock Silos, with his changes and his fans will still want the brand he plays... But, most people are not like me, or any other touring/working guitarist. They don't think about things like (I wish I had a JP BFR without piezo for the songs that I don't use piezo on and always bump the switch) lol I use the piezo enough that I don't need them to have an option of no piezo on the BFR. I've dealt with it, but if I had the option as an endorser... well, how many other players are short like me and their arm lays in a weird plays on a guitar? LOL They'd definitely go broke if they based their production run on my very unusual needs. LOL

I don't know how many HJ models PRS sold, but the thing did not fit the majority of PRS players expectations of a PRS guitar. That is, PRS's niche is very specific in why players choose them. I'm still surprised that the swamp ash special returned at all, must less has stuck around so long. I never see any of them. Either way, if you're spending the price the JH model was on a PRS, you're going to want birds and a the more popular rotary pick up selector.

I guess in my mind it seems that we'll see a JH signature model MM when there are people calling in by the droves begging for one.
 

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Actually back to your hijack about honeyburst!

I really didn't think that was much of a hijack... JH is generally seen with the Honeyburst Silo and if you aren't planning on doing a JH signature (Im happy with him playing whatever) I thought it would be a legit, mostly on topic, question to see if there was interest in Honeyburst making a comeback.... if I hijacked the thread then I'm sorry.

I hope we all know I was trying to be funny with my "smelling a hijack" comment in case it didn't come off that way.
 
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Stratty I know where you are coming from and did not feel you hijacked the thread, you just want a Silo in Honeyburst-no harm no foul.lol

Again as I stated earlier I really do not think of these guitars as artist series guitars and more like great players that had some input in making great guitars. Also outside of the old EVH where you had a player that trancended the guitar community and is known by people who do not even play, BP really has mainly worked with artist that are a players player. Even in the Blue Book of guitars where after the brand name they have a short company bio, look at EBMM and they mention the innovative designs the company has come up and that is what matters most. If you buy a Strat or a Les Paul that is an artist series guitar it looks just like what it is with a few tweaks, these are guitars that are totally original that look like nothing else that will more than likely be the classic designs of the future. Also maybe Sterling may never do another sig and just come up with names for new models. But so far the formula has been working to perfection.
 

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Yes the noheyburst was a hijack. I have no said about 10 times that there are zero plans for a JH sig. NOthing against Johnny and the more you guys wont let this die...the more it starts to cause both Johnny and I problems. What is your guys point? Please give it a rest. YOur guys market assumptions are not close...the presupposed rise in demand of honeyburst justifying re releasing it is not accurate.

Lets say I would make the Johnny Hiland Signature Silo It would have to retail for about 3K...Probably street for $2,300.00. Who is absolutely in? Ill let this run for two days If youre in there are no promises but be careful because if you say youre in I may consider that a firm order. If you dont accept the order I get to point out that when push comes to shove things that some want the company to do arent things that they really want...or things that people ask for may not have the demand that they assume they do.

This could be fun.
 

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Yes the noheyburst was a hijack. I have no said about 10 times that there are zero plans for a JH sig. NOthing against Johnny and the more you guys wont let this die...the more it starts to cause both Johnny and I problems. What is your guys point? Please give it a rest. YOur guys market assumptions are not close...the presupposed rise in demand of honeyburst justifying re releasing it is not accurate.

Lets say I would make the Johnny Hiland Signature Silo It would have to retail for about 3K...Probably street for $2,300.00. Who is absolutely in? Ill let this run for two days If youre in there are no promises but be careful because if you say youre in I may consider that a firm order. If you dont accept the order I get to point out that when push comes to shove things that some want the company to do arent things that they really want...or things that people ask for may not have the demand that they assume they do.

This could be fun.

Fair enough BP, but just to be clear I wasn't asking for a JH signature. I was asking about an old color that I would be more then happy to go find used. Who knows if Pete had a nice used one for his JH clinic. I never assumed that everyone was asking for the color rather wondered if it got some interest because of JH. The answer is no, I'm cool with that and will move on.
 

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it could.....

It is the same point when the infamous forum guitar or bass rears its ugly head.....I know that there is not a chance of agreement. In the case of JH it inot meant to be disrespectful of JH it is to point out that on the die hard forum I will pretty much guarantee less than 6 ordered which would not make it worth the while.....if 150 said they were in with hard cash and not tire kicking internet shopping then it could be a contract
 

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Who is absolutely in? Ill let this run for two days If youre in there are no promises but be careful because if you say youre in I may consider that a firm order. If you dont accept the order I get to point out that when push comes to shove things that some want the company to do arent things that they really want...or things that people ask for may not have the demand that they assume they do.

This could be fun.

Hey BP, can you do that for a double-neck Baritone? I'll definitely find 150 people to buy it...

(I wish)
 

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Hey all, Just want to chime in here and let you all know that Johnny Hiland plays silos because he loves them. He is not under any contract to play them. He is not being paid to play them. He loves them.

He can play whatever he wants on tour and in the studio, We use the Silos on everything he has been doing in the studio and on tour.

Sterling makes valid points about the costs of manufacturing and the tire kicking public that all say they want something till it comes time to pay for it. Thats all good, we understand that while you may want it, it may not be in the works for you as a player due to funds etc...

Johnny will always play what he wants on stage and in the studio. he is not under any agreement and the best endorsement he can give to EBMM is the fact he plays them without a model or paid endorsement. They run a very classy organization and that is what attracted us to them, they do what they say they are going to do.

We love Big Poppa and all the folks at EBMM, they have been very good to us and we plan on being a part of EBMM for a long long time.

Micheal Clair, Manager, Johnny Hiland
 

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Thanks Poppa and Michael for your words :)

Strange how this thread run quiet after BP ask for commitment :p I think BP knows us too well :cool:
 

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Thanks Bear....Please understand that this conversation happens with ALL artists that play our stuff. To bring it back on point Signature guitars are very poor sellers. Most stores hate them. They only have so many hooks on the wall and it becomes so brand fracturing. We are very lucky to have the Luke and Petrucci...Two guitars that are accepted. The Albert and Steve Morse are very much smaller sellers and not because of the artist or the quality of design. To be successful or have a fighting chance you have to develop a brand and then a model base that is not fractured by artistic genre.

What most companies do is offer a re badged or rebranded existing model as a signature model. The artists ego stroked and the company has the artist with handcuffs.
It becomes very difficult to divorce yourself from the company. The company wins..The artist gets very little income...the company uses the artists relationship to its product to reinforce the mainstream product.....
 
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:)We Had the best show in Freeport Maine tonight! Happy 4th of July, we played to 4000 people and brought up Hal Ketchum to a super appreciative Crowd. Johnnys playing was stellar and they all got a real cool treat watching him tear it up!

I played Bass on this leg of the tour....It was EBMM all the way...
 

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Thank's for posting Rob, I could watch him play all day !! I'm a fan !
 
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