JP6, bending, and going out of tune...

[germangallardo]

The problem with floating bridges is that the system is based on the idea that the tension of the strings equals the tension in the springs. If you change the tension in 1 string (maybe it broke, or maybe you're bending it), you will change the tension in the other strings, which will change their pitch.

For example... when putting on new strings, each time you tune 1 string, you have to go back and adjust the other 5. With a hardtail, you don't.

Let's say you're on stage at a gig and you break a string . Let's also say just for illustration purposes that for the rest of the song you don't even need that string (maybe you're playing rhythm and you broke the high E). With a hardtail, you can continue and finish the song because even though you're missing the E, the other 5 are still in tune. With a floating bridge, if you break a string, the whole guitar is useless until you change that string because the other 5 will be waaayyyyy too sharp, because the tension in each of the remaining strings increases to make up for the missing string. Higher tension = higher pitch = way out of tune.

Totally got what you are talking about now, however I dont find it annoying. I dont know guys my guitar is in tune and I do pretty heavy whammy bar abuse and flutters (example: when I play UAGM )

Could this be because of the compensated nut? or a massive defective ear? which actually I really doubt it. I do notice when the trem moves, and I totally understand the system however my guitar does not go out of tune. Usually I tune my guitar one time per week or so. I do check everyday if its right, but usually it is.

Actually I like this system more than the floyd rose kind of thing Im selling my other guitar (with floyd) to buy a luke


then another JP

 

[Dead-Eye]

@Dead-Eye: Where are you gonna buy that one?
Are you gonna purchase it at the guitar-center on aachener str in cologne?

I tried one there (black, piezo), but new is a little out of my price range. I'm getting TwAn's Desert Gold one.

 

[germangallardo]

Desert Gold is THE color!

 

[Bierschinken]

I tried one there (black, piezo), but new is a little out of my price range. I'm getting TwAn's Desert Gold one.

I tried exactly the same a few weeks ago!
I can´t decide buying a new one or used one....but these are so damn expensive around here.

hmm...desert gold...I´d like to see that in real

 

[Tim O'Sullivan]

This is why hardtails rule!

 

[the24thfret]

I've played floating trem guitars pretty much exclusively since I began playing a long time ago. Briefly I had a Les Paul DC Standard, hardtail of course, but it just didn't compare. The floating trem just opens up so many possibilities!

 

[Dizzy]

Hehe.
I'm just puzzled at the number of Floater owners that never noticed the "issue"

 

[germangallardo]

Im trying to find where exactly the problem. I feel so ignorant now I do notice the trem movement but not the out of tune notes. Obviously if you try to play another note while the string is bent its going to be out of tune but maybe its my playing...

 

[Adwex]

Hehe.
I'm just puzzled at the number of Floater owners that never noticed the "issue"

My thoughts exactly. It's impossible to miss when you're tuning up after changing strings. You tune the strings from low E to high E...when you finish the high E, all the others are flat. What I hate most is when the string stretches over time, you run out of adjustment on one of the fine tuners, then you have to unlock the nut and re-tune it with the peg.

 

[Adwex]

By the way...I'm not sure how it became known as a tremolo bar, it should be called a vibrato bar.

Tremelo = variation in volume
Vibrato = variation in pitch

 

[Bierschinken]

By the way...I'm not sure how it became known as a tremolo bar, it should be called a vibrato bar.

Tremelo = variation in volume
Vibrato = variation in pitch

You´re quite correct. Someone known as Leo F. did that mistake in former times, so we stupid guitardudes think thats correct.

 

[roburado]

Tremolo is also the rapid repetition of the same note.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tremolo

 

[Colin]

Tremolo is also the rapid repetition of the same note.

Tremolo - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

what about wang bar?

 

[Dizzy]

Tremolo is also the rapid repetition of the same note.

Tremolo - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Yep,
When I was a kid, learning classical, I could never understand why it was referred to as a tremelo....... when I was learning pieces that incorporated REAL tremelo in it's true form.

 

[PBGas]

I put a very small block of wood glued into the cavity to have the trem rest on it. This takes away the ability to have the trem float BUT.....that is not how I use my trem. I tend to bend the note upwards and use the trem that way if I need that flutter. It's a technique that I've been using for years. It's not perfect but it works. If I break a string, it stays perfectly in tune as the bridge doesn't move from the block that I have put in.

 

[darren]

I installed a Tremol-No in my JP7, and it helps tremendously with this issue. I can lock the trem into dive-only mode, or make it a hardtail with the twist of a couple of thumbscrews.

You can see pics of the installation here. Note that this is one of the first Tremol-No production units, and the tailpiece has since been redesigned so the "adapter plate" is no longer required for the angled EBMM block.

 

[germangallardo]

Ok reading further Ive noticed what you are talking about, when you bend yes the pitch changes but when you release its back in its place. With the original thread title I thought the process was

playing, bend, out of tune, then still out of tune. Yes it is a bit of a problem to change the string gauge or the tuning but I'll order another ball for that

 

[the24thfret]

I put a very small block of wood glued into the cavity to have the trem rest on it. This takes away the ability to have the trem float BUT.....that is not how I use my trem. I tend to bend the note upwards and use the trem that way if I need that flutter. It's a technique that I've been using for years. It's not perfect but it works. If I break a string, it stays perfectly in tune as the bridge doesn't move from the block that I have put in.

Did this on my older Ibanez ripoff guitar, worked great. But I missed the full vibrato effect after a while, so I took it out. But it's a cheap, reliable option if you like a floating trem guitar, just not the floating trem.