jp6 came today, woohoo!

[Glassmoon]

wrong again. it isn't fact because you or others believe it, period. tone is subjective and that's all there is to it. I believe some players get incredible tone with ultra low action and there are some that raise the action and think they're gettin better tone and sound like crap. there's no end to it, it's too subjective.

what you say isn't right or wrong except that you're saying the statement is a fact. you believe what you believe and that's awesome. I've just been playin way too long to buy into cliches pawned as the gospel.

the fact that jp uses low action to facilitate his style should've proved my point. if he raised his action to get "better tone" he'd be clunking all over the fretboard and I don't think his tone would be so great, hehe. the trick, really, is to set the action for your style and figure out how to get the best tone from what you have to work with...at least for me. alot of players work that way, but it is easier to go with the higher action=better tone if you're playing easy stuff...if it works for the person.

this convo could go on and on, but it's mostly subjective anyway. thanks for your input.

 

[OrangeChannel]

I don't think it's too subjective. Most guys I know, have worked for, played with, played for, etc....feel the same way.

Personally going 1/32 low is pointless as well since you can't dig in., as well with guitars built as well and as playable as the EBMM's, higher action isn't as noticeable as on some other guitars.

Also I'm no spring chicken bro. I've been playing far longer than many people and this is what I experience not only for myself, but thru many of my comrades.....now easier to play...hehe that's another story altogether (hence my point. In an interview JP proves MY point about this issue by saying tho' his guitars sound better via the higher action route, live he sets up low due to the rigors of touring and hand fatigue).

 

[Dodgeball]

The moral of this story is...

Sorry to wade-in uninvited.

From a third-person perspective I would have to say...

1) Tone is ALWAYS subjective!
2) Higher action lets u get more feel and articulation into your playing...which ALWAYS = better tone. By Higher, I don't necessarily mean HIGH!
3) The sweet spot of pickups varies from unit to unit and can be found not only by raising/lowering the action but also from raising/lowering the pickup.
4) Your technique is YOUR technique, do what YOU like. That's all part of what makes us sound so individual.

Laters

 

[Glassmoon]

well said, dodgeball.

orangechannel, your side of the argument seems to be more about you trying to make people believe what you believe are facts. having said that, it's all good, I won't argue with people who have that frame of mind. I thought I could make you think about what it is you're arguing, but I was wrong. no matter what you say, something like tone is totally subjective, because it's too ambiguous and relies on taste. but hey, whatever works, my point was never to make you change your belief system on action and tone...it was to point out that you're trying to state what you believe should be considered a fact.

anyway, I'm lovin the guitar and settled between 2 and 3/64ths. blazing on this guitar is so easy and fun. luckily, the stages I play on are big enough to crank my amps and overcome the lack of tone from my low action. really glad ebmm made this guitar model, it's very inspiring and hella fun.

 

[Eddie Van Halen]

wheres a pic of the guitar?

 

[Glassmoon]

can't seem to post it. it says it's in jpeg in the email I sent from my laptop to pc, but when it tries to upload it to the forum it says it's an html.

 

[OrangeChannel]

I'm not arguiing with you Glassmoon but at the same time I don't think I need to cite specific examples either. Let's agree to disagree and end it. No flaming on this board. How's that guitar btw? I just got my new Silo (this makes 4 EBMM's...3 JPS and a Silo)

 

[Glassmoon]

works for me. the guitar's pretty smooth. I wanna get the action down to 2/64ths since I use my axis and teles for the blues and country stuff, with alot higher action. it's just nice to have a guitar that shreds effortlessly once in a while, and I know my ibanez jp sounded good with low action.

it seems like I should be able to get the action to 2/64ths with no problem on this kind of radius, but I can't seem to get it there without some buzzing and fretting out, no matter what I do. kinda sad, cause even the axis can get to a little below 3/64ths with no buzz whatsoever. makes no sense, if you ask me...the radius on the axis is much more curved.

any suggestions there? I know some folks have said the frets will need milled, but it just seems odd on this radius. anyway, other than that minor quibble these guitars are the best made, imo, for mix of comfort, tone, speed, feel and looks. amazing.

glad we could just end the argument without it escalating, orangechannel. I've seen people have extremely heated arguments over subjects like those and I guess they're lessons learned. the good thing is that people are passionate about what they love and what has worked for them.

oh, and any thoughts on my last post about the pics?

 

[OrangeChannel]

If you need hosting I can do it for you. Just email me the pics and I'll set it up when I get in from work tonight....sound good? I need to post pics of my Silo as well.....

 

[Lew]

Hope I don't derail this train.

I always jacked my action up with vintage frets and less so the bigger the frets.
Low action is **** imo but I have built my hand strengh alot,I used to play 11's for normal playing and higher guages with slide.
I have my guitars set up with 10's to comfortably bend a whole tone on any string and be able to get some wide vibrato in on it
But I often take the strings a touch higher because it just sounds tighter to me.
IMO lifting the action a little goes far in "tightening" up my tone and having a good control.
All IMO

 

[koogie2k]

Yeah.....we need pics glassmoon and OC (Even though I have seen OC's silo....just making him do some extra work for us...hehehehehe.....)....best part for me though, I get to see OC's silo up close and personal here in a week or so....can't wait....

 

[Glassmoon]

I'm fixin to email the pics, orange. thanks, cause I'm new to postin pics.

lew, I understand. I have good hand strength, but frankly, playin alot means I don't like to kill my hands tryin to do 215bpm solo junk, lol. anyhoo, I have some of my teles and axis set up with 10's and at about 4/64ths. actually, all my guitars have 10's, though. I used to use 11's with my steve morse, but that guitar seemed to fit with heavy strings...the pickup tone and the neck feel suggested heavy strings to me.

 

[OrangeChannel]

 

[unclerico]

You could read it goofy...

Just kiddin' with ya...here's what the EBMM FAQ has about that:

"Factory string setting for standard tuning starts at the bass side 2/32" (0.0254m) to 5/64" (0.127m) and the treble side is 3/64" (0.0762m) to 2/32" (.254m) measured from the 12th fret to the bottom of the strings. The top of the strings should have the radius of the fretboard when you are looking at the strings in the playing position and by rotating the instrument while at the same time bringing strings into view one at a time. Remember, string height is ultimately determined by your preference and playing style, as well as the string gauge and tuning (if you you use an alternate tuning). Again, after every adjustment it is necessary to re-tune the guitar, to give you a starting reference."

Next time, I bill you.

Lol

 

[wagnerite]

whats this? new jp6 and i dont see any pictures? i call bs, no pic no jp6

 

[Dizzy]

whats this? new jp6 and i dont see any pictures? i call bs, no pic no jp6

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