JPX vs. BFR Tone?

[Hendog]

OK...

Both have same woods, pickups, electronics, ect. but the JPX is chambered.

What are we looking at for tone difference? Would it have better Piezo performance?

 

[Phazer]

OK...

Both have same woods, pickups, electronics, ect. but the JPX is chambered.

What are we looking at for tone difference? Would it have better Piezo performance?

I don't think the chambering will affect the piezo tone at all since it's the pressure the string makes on the saddle that creates the acoustic sound.
I might be wrong though

 

[petruccirocks02]

I would say that overall, the guitar wil probably have more resonance due to the chambering and might have more sustain as well. I think the chambering would indeed affect the piezo tone, especially since the bridge is on top of the tone block.

-Phil

 

[jam3v]

Great thread. I'd love to know the difference.

 

[dmcguitar]

we are all wondering that.. and probably wont know until the guitar is on the shelf. I think its going to make it sparkle more.. and create a more colorful sound.... oh wait thats the paint finish.

everyone says more resonance, i dont know about anyone else, but i can't wrap my head around that to get a quantifiable difference in tone. I'll just have to hear them. I'm thinking a little more hollow. i have a guitar from warmoth with the universal route. its missing a big chunk to allow for any pickup combination, and it sounds like something is missing.

 

[petruccirocks02]

we are all wondering that.. and probably wont know until the guitar is on the shelf.

Exactly. Couldn't have said it better myself.

-Phil

 

[brokenvail]

Don't forget the ebony! I have found that when I compare my 25th to the my RW ASS there is a lot of differences in guitar response and note over tones. these things along became amplified in my mind/ear/hands when I started really experimenting with dynamics and using my volume and tone knobs. Before that they only sounded a little different (it was still a good difference but it was small.)

 

[jam3v]

That's a good point. There was definitely a tonal difference between my Dargie II and Mystic Dream JP6.

 

[dmcguitar]

Really? Does everyone really hear a difference between RW,Maple and Ebony fretboards? Not like an illusional sort of thing? I mean pickups and otherwood the same, it always seemed like a real small piece of wood to impart a tonal difference. Also do they really feel different? i have RW and Maple fretboards, and i've never sat down to compare them, but i play just as bad when i have either wood as a fretboard. I don't really understand one of them being faster. A teenager once said, after seeing my maple neck/fingerboard, that he feels maple feels slower. I just couldn't understand what he meant, i play the same either way...and usually im not touching the fretboard, but rather the strings.... so bad strings would impart more on my playing.

I'm legitly asking for what I am not picking up on. i don't want to drink the kool-aid, but I may take the red pill

 

[Lou]

I don't hear the fretboard having much of an influence. My JPs have different woods and pickups and yet sound very similar.

 

[Dargin]

Differences are: ebony board, chambered body, and 5 way switch.

 

[bkrumme]

Really? Does everyone really hear a difference between RW,Maple and Ebony fretboards?

I don't hear the fretboard having much of an influence. My JPs have different woods and pickups and yet sound very similar.

The difference between rosewood and ebony isn't as prevalent as the difference between rosewood and maple or ebony and maple. I personally can't hear much difference between ebony and rosewood. Maple has more attack to it. Robelinda has described it as "spank" in a few threads and I think that's accurate.

 

[ProtoChicken]

The difference between rosewood and ebony isn't as prevalent as the difference between rosewood and maple or ebony and maple. I personally can't hear much difference between ebony and rosewood. Maple has more attack to it. Robelinda has described it as "spank" in a few threads and I think that's accurate.

It's funny how the ear works. I find ebony and maple to sound closer to each other than to rosewood. Ebony is often noted as being even brighter than maple, but again it's really dependent on the person, or the company giving the description. And I'm sure there is a lot of variance between pieces of wood of the same species. Pau Ferro is my favorite, looks like rosewood, feels like ebony, and has a sound somewhere in the middle.

Also do they really feel different? i have RW and Maple fretboards, and i've never sat down to compare them, but i play just as bad when i have either wood as a fretboard. I don't really understand one of them being faster. A teenager once said, after seeing my maple neck/fingerboard, that he feels maple feels slower. I just couldn't understand what he meant, i play the same either way.

Faster and slower are generally in reference to the feel of the fretboard. Some may find the feel of a finished maple board sticky and therefore slow. Closed grain woods have a different feel to them than open grained. Ebony has a very slick feel to it which some describe as fast. You tend to notice the feel of the wood more on bends I think. As you pointed out your fingers contact the frets more than the wood. But the difference in feel is noticeable, especially on cheap rosewood boards with wide open grain.

Edit: Warmoth has an interesting page on neck woods, I'm sure you could find another site that would give you totally different tonal descriptions but here's the link Warmoth Custom Guitar Parts - Neck Woods

 

[Ang3lus]

i find ebony to be the most musical, maple 2nd best and rosewood is tonally different. rosewood gives you a rounder sound overall, much less attacki-sh and agrresive, maple is too screaming imo, LOVE ebony, feel and sound.

 

[dwells]

Maple neck sure have more bite and spank than rosewood!

 

[Dante]

actually, i think the reason things sound faster is because the have less bass, and tend to snap rather than woof or chunk. and my hands are faster on rosewood. go figure.

bkrumme, i think it's time to have a sit down with your (or maybe your rig?0 guitars cuz really, ebony is nothing like rosewood. ur such a dedicated knucklehead, i can't believe u don't hear the diff.

i have the new dargie, and tho the new bridge pickup is supposed to be darker, i don't think the overall sound has gotten much darker. the absence of too much bass balances it out nicely anyway.

 

[D.K.]

I feel that maple, being a harder wood, is not as smooth and easy to play and bend on as the rosewood. Have silos both with a maple and a rosewood neck. Thus, the feeling of a "faster" rosewood neck comes down to less friction and resistance compared to maple. Just my 2 cents, of course.

Anyway, back to the original question - I do feel that now it really looks really strange there still is no official video with the sound of the JPX on the EBMM Youtube channel. It is really about time to hear this baby.

 

[bkrumme]

bkrumme, i think it's time to have a sit down with your (or maybe your rig?0 guitars cuz really, ebony is nothing like rosewood. ur such a dedicated knucklehead, i can't believe u don't hear the diff.

Unfortunately I can't make an apples to apples comparison. I have the DD2 with Ebony which also has the Crunch Lab/Liquifire. My closest axe to it is my BFR JP7 since they're both the BFR model JP. But that's got the D-Sonic in it with the bridge pup flipped. Plus, it's a 7 string and resonates differently. So I'm certainly hearing differences, but I attribute that to the Pickups more than the fretboard material.

 

[jam3v]

I feel that maple, being a harder wood, is not as smooth and easy to play and bend on as the rosewood. Have silos both with a maple and a rosewood neck. Thus, the feeling of a "faster" rosewood neck comes down to less friction and resistance compared to maple. Just my 2 cents, of course.

Anyway, back to the original question - I do feel that now it really looks really strange there still is no official video with the sound of the JPX on the EBMM Youtube channel. It is really about time to hear this baby.

I have guitars with ebony, maple, and rosewood boards. I'd say the rosewood provides the most friction because it has the largest grain. Ebony has the smallest and is very smooth. Maple seems somewhere in the middle.

With guitars like the JP6 that don't have jumbo frets, fretboard wood becomes very important. The Dargie II was always so much more comfortable to play than the standard JP6, in my opinion, because of the ebony.

 

[Hendog]

I would say that overall, the guitar wil probably have more resonance due to the chambering and might have more sustain as well. I think the chambering would indeed affect the piezo tone, especially since the bridge is on top of the tone block.

-Phil

we are all wondering that.. and probably wont know until the guitar is on the shelf.

Exactly. Couldn't have said it better than myself.

-Phil

Hmmm... You lost me there, Phil