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blueSub

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what i found with my Line 6 experience is totally ignore what they claim to be modeling and just go with the sound. for example does the treadplate model sound like a dual rec? IMO not even close. does the treadplate setting sound really good on it's own? IMO yes. can my current HD147 match my former Mark 3 in sheer brutal stomp your guts outness? no BUT i really like they way it sounds, well enough that i sold the mark 3.
 

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I used the PODxt Live through the Bose for a year and it was wonderful... however, to tell the truth, I've now switched over to a GNX3000... just because it's sounds huge in comparison to the Line 6...

What a great discovery!
 

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Lucidology said:
Ok... I'm a newbie here.. so might Norm be...?

The Bose for Live music amplification is a newbie too... slow to be accepted by those of us from the world of tubes... but as a full-time player.. the Bose has not only made gigging even funner then it is, but eaiser in terms of hauling gear around ...

Yea, who is Norm?

I'm in the process of selling a very nice boutique tube amp (though keeping two others) and going to a PodXT Live into the board for my live setup - I'm tired of schleping a crapload of gear around. There's been a long, long thread running on The Gear Page on this very subject for some time, and the players there have figured out that with the addition of a Valvulator or similar tube buffer in front of the XT's input, you can even simulate the sag of a high quality tube amp.

I'm also considering selling my conventional PA equipment and going to a Bose PS system, I've heard nothing but great things about that whole setup, and I love how Bose went totally outside the box to solve some pro audio problems.

This new setup should be perfect for the small combo and cover band gigs I do; mainly in small clubs or on outdoor patios at hotels, restaurants, etc. And I'll be able to fit my entire rig in my back seat with no problem!

Kane
 

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guitrr said:
Yea, who is Norm?

The real question is.. WHAT is NorM? (Note proper spelling of NorM)

NorM is an enigma.

NorM is a long-suffering forumite who just happens to be some sort of rocket scientist or something. He has a growing collection of MusicMan six-strings, but his first love is his Blue Dawn Silhouette if I'm not mistaken.

He's famous for making a deposit on a Steve Morse Y2D model eons before they went into production. Forumites were given the 'inside scoop' on this instrument as it went through various stages of development.. and NorM made sure his input was heard because heaven knows that Steve Morse, Dudley Gimpel, and Sterling Ball couldn't be trusted to design a guitar on their own.

He has a tendency to rub Big Poppa the wrong way, is convinced that he's the lone forumite unable to post pictures on the forum, and apparently consumes large platters of meat in public.

He resides in the desert, but claims to hail from Tennessee.. there's a ring of truth to this because he punctuates his posts with mentions of the viscousity of owl excrement and other redneck-ish musings.

Finally, he has been known to mount rockets on what appears to be his own personal school bus, and claims to be a big Steve Morse fan.

;) :D
 

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cool PRat! I've got the XT-Live for Bass, way too much fun for a bassist to have, especially when I hook it up to my PowerBook... then I really feel cool :D


hey, you gotta drop by the store man!! we've got a Rosewood Axis SS, a Silo Special SSS and a Y2D that shipped out of SLO yesterday.... could be here soon :cool:
 

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SteveB said:
The real question is.. WHAT is NorM? (Note proper spelling of NorM)

NorM is an enigma.

NorM is a long-suffering forumite who just happens to be some sort of rocket scientist or something. He has a growing collection of MusicMan six-strings, but his first love is his Blue Dawn Silhouette if I'm not mistaken.

He's famous for making a deposit on a Steve Morse Y2D model eons before they went into production. Forumites were given the 'inside scoop' on this instrument as it went through various stages of development.. and NorM made sure his input was heard because heaven knows that Steve Morse, Dudley Gimpel, and Sterling Ball couldn't be trusted to design a guitar on their own.

He has a tendency to rub Big Poppa the wrong way, is convinced that he's the lone forumite unable to post pictures on the forum, and apparently consumes large platters of meat in public.

He resides in the desert, but claims to hail from Tennessee.. there's a ring of truth to this because he punctuates his posts with mentions of the viscousity of owl excrement and other redneck-ish musings.

Finally, he has been known to mount rockets on what appears to be his own personal school bus, and claims to be a big Steve Morse fan.

;) :D

Also a fine guitarist.
 

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Thanks for the great write up on NorM SteveB... but somehow the guy still remains an 'enigma'... By the way, enjoyed your playing at Lost Frontier site..(i.e. Train Wreck especially ...)

Kane.. using a Bose has made life much simpler for myself and many others. As well as improving our music big time... I'm sure it would do the same for you.... here's a link to the Bose musician's forum (if you haven't been there already...)

http://bose.infopop.cc/6/ubb.x

Ciao, the Joseph
 

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Lucidology said:
Thanks for the great write up on NorM SteveB... but somehow the guy still remains an 'enigma'... By the way, enjoyed your playing at Lost Frontier site..(i.e. Train Wreck especially ...)

Kane.. using a Bose has made life much simpler for myself and many others. As well as improving our music big time... I'm sure it would do the same for you.... here's a link to the Bose musician's forum (if you haven't been there already...)

http://bose.infopop.cc/6/ubb.x

Ciao, the Joseph

Thanks Joseph! I'm working very hard to get some much better material available for the Lost Frontier site. I'll let everyone know when I've reached that point. We're finally getting around to recording our better material..

I keep hearing really good things about these Bose radial systems.. maybe I'll have to relent and try one!

NorM will always be an enigma. :D
 

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Tim... Nope, don't work for Bose in any way... In fact, Bose doesn't do artist endorsements... They want to avoid the hype if at all possible... (you know, the typical scenario where someone endorses an amp or a guitar but never actually use it)...

When I first bought my Bose at San Jose Guitar center back in Jan. of 2005 (I bought one of the first two GC had in stock).... I was one of the only guys in the area using it ... so consequently, I had guitarists and sound guys from around the Central Cost constantly coming to my gigs to check it out... (so I've been met with all the varied respones...)

Word got around, so I guess through my posts and reports Bose was receiving, that maybe I represented the Professional 'working' guitarist ('guitar as career') faction of the business.

One of the two inventors of the Bose L-1, Ken Jacobs, came to town and personally visited with me... and since then they've treated me exceptionally well. Their customer service is unbelievable supportive. They are a kind and responsible group... standing behind their new, but obviously controversial product...
 
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I have had mine for a few months now, and after much research and many hours of tweaking I have come to a few conclusions.

1) I hate tweaking. This freaking amp has waay too many options for people who prefer more simplistic setups.

2) It works wicked great for recording direct. I use mine through a pair of Audiophile powered monitors at home and run it into my laptop. If I sold everything else I would keep the XTL just for the home recording ease. If I ever recorded something serious, I am willing to bet that if I spent some time tweaking I could get some great tones for metal and clean stuff.

3) The general concensus seems to be that they are good enough to do the job with a good poweramp and speaker combo, but a regular guitar setup can not be beat. For those of you who can settle for "good enough". They work great at low volumes but not so well for rehersal and gigs.

4) A full range-flat response keyboard amp or PA seems to work the best and allows you to fully utilize all the features on the XTL

5) One thing I should mention is that the afformentioned idea are applicable to the XT PRO.

6) The patches have a tendancy to breakup at high volumes, especially distiortions. For us metallers, that can be (and is) a large pain in the arse.

7) The XTL is capable of amazing cleans and the fx are not that bad either. I am thinking of buying a regular guitar amp and using the XTL for fx, tuner, and volume. I know a few guys that do this, plus if your main amp ever takes a crap on you the XTL works well as a backup.

In summary, there are worse modellers and there are certainly better choices for a preamp/fx unit. In order to fully utilize the XTL, you have to tweak until you can not tweak no more. Then when all that is done, you have to take out a second mortage and tweak some more.

Many people say modellers can not stand up to a real authentic amp and many people can not tell the difference. Its one of those things that you have to find out for yourself.

I am coming to realize that I do not like tweaking and I would prefer a regular guitar setup. I am starting to miss it a lot actually, and the XTL works well for fx, tuners, and a volume pedal. I am not a professional musician. My band gigs 1-3 times per month. If I were, I would probably get a G-Major or something like that for fx and the like while using a regular boutique guitar amp for my main tones.

I will forever keep the xtl for ease of use when recording.

Hope this helps
 
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