Just won't stay in tune

[Phazer]

Dude- I think that's too many winds around the post.

With the locking tuners you don't need to wrap at all. I pull the strings tight, then lock them. There's always less than one wind- usually it's just the locked string turned 90-180 degrees, like in Phazer's pics.

The less winds on the post, the more it'll stay in tune. With the locking tuners there can be no coils, so not holding any tension.

That's what I've always thought too

 

[BMN]

Dude- I think that's too many winds around the post.

With the locking tuners you don't need to wrap at all. I pull the strings tight, then lock them. There's always less than one wind- usually it's just the locked string turned 90-180 degrees, like in Phazer's pics.

The less winds on the post, the more it'll stay in tune. With the locking tuners there can be no coils, so not holding any tension.

I thought that too... and I swear I read it on the FAQ of either EBMM or some locking tuners page.

You might want to try some nut lubricant, even though you're using the same guage maybe your strings are getting snagged at the nut. Or if you don't want to buy that, just use pencil graphite, lots of guys swear by it.

 

[Phazer]

Ok guys, but before I do anything to the guitar I'll try putting RPS back on, if the problem continues, I'll have the guitar checked by a tech.
But the problem seems to have gone away now, except for the E string that slightly goes flat after a while, but that may just be the string

 

[Spudmurphy]

Definitely try the RPS strings.

As Beej said - you need no winds whatsoever around the tuning post - none!

I put some graphite in the nuts slots if I ever have a nut bind - just rub a pencil on some sandpaper and add a bit to the slot - not too much.

 

[guitarman23]

well the thing is, mine stays in tune forever......

 

[beej]

well the thing is, mine stays in tune forever......

Yeah, there's nothing wrong with that approach. It's just that you don't need to do it, and it's more likely to introduce tuning instability. But I'm a fan of sticking to whatever works for you.

The Morse is particularly stable for tuning I find, likely due to the bridge layout. The strings don't have to bend after the saddles and the tension is probably distributed more evenly.

 

[Spudmurphy]

well the thing is, mine stays in tune forever......

Great stuff - I'm glad it does 'cos I had loads of tuning trouble with my Les Paul just after I got it new.

If there are no winds on the post, when you use the trem ( Both my AL's have trems), then the winds on the post do not loosen when you dive and then re tighten and try to realign themselves as the strings return to pitch. The big selling point of locking tuners is that you need no winds around the post.

It'll be interesting to find out what the problem is in this case.

 

[emanon]

I can't imagine that its the D'Addario's. Those are the only strings I play (I know that that is blasphemes around here but what can I say, I like them better) and I have never had any issues with tuning.

 

[Phazer]

I can't imagine that its the D'Addario's. Those are the only strings I play (I know that that is blasphemes around here but what can I say, I like them better) and I have never had any issues with tuning.

Yeah, it can't be the strings, they are just as good as any other strings, it just depends on what you're used to

 

[colinboy]

there is such thing as a rogue set of strings that can cause problems.im having srting/tuning probs too with my BFR JP6 at the mo.waiting to get new RPS strings to put on and i hope my problem will be alleviated.

 

[Multiversal]

If you're having tuning problems with regular Slinkies, then I don't see how having RPS strings is going to make any difference. I replaced the RPS strings on my JP6 with regular slinkies and it stays in tune just the same.

In fact, it probably has nothing to do with the type of strings you are using..

 

[Dizzy]

here my pic the best one i could take, this is how it should be....i can play for a week without it gettin out of tune!

and lol dont ask about the pink star...

GIRLS.........

It's surprising that your tuning stability is good.
The whole point of the locking tuners is to minimise the winds on each peg.
You've got MILES too much string on the pegs there !

EDIT : Whoops, Beej already addressed this

 

[greenwizard]

^^Wow....
I don't know if I could do that if I tried....

 

[Big Poppa]

you shouldnt wrap the locking tuners multiple times

 

[Mick]

plus the pink star sticker minimizes tuning stability!!!;-))

 

[MusicManJP6]

Hey Phazer, I would try lubing your nut slot(s) before taking it to a tech - and as others have suggested, make sure your strings are stretched thoroughly. My JP stays in tune for weeks unless the climate is wacked out too much...

 

[Phazer]

If you're having tuning problems with regular Slinkies, then I don't see how having RPS strings is going to make any difference. I replaced the RPS strings on my JP6 with regular slinkies and it stays in tune just the same.

In fact, it probably has nothing to do with the type of strings you are using..

It's just that I've never had problems before, and I've always had RPS 09-42
I tuned my guitar at the beginning when the strings were fresh, and the NEVER tuned it again and it was perfect.
Now I put D'addario strings and I'm having this problem, so I want to see what happens when I put RPS again

 

[Phazer]

Hey Phazer, I would try lubing your nut slot(s) before taking it to a tech - and as others have suggested, make sure your strings are stretched thoroughly. My JP stays in tune for weeks unless the climate is wacked out too much...

what could I use to lub the nut?

 

[Lord Toneking]

My buddy has a couple JP's and that's one thing that I don't like about them...they won't stay in tune for me I can bend and whammy the crap out of my Axis and it never goes out of tune. My Silo special had the locking tuners like the JP and it always stayed in tune.

try checking the tightness of your tuners and graphite your nut, and see how that works...and STRETCH those strings!

 

[MusicManJP6]

I think stretching the strings thoroughly is the key!

You can use graphite (like what is used for locks), or you can use some 'nut sauce' to lube the nut.