Keeping The EB/MM Faith....

[Dcareaga]

Sorry guys... I just gotta vent!
Some guy in another forum I visit posted this Comment:

"For the life of me I cannot understand why a player like Luke is playing EB/MM!?!? There are so many great builders and custom guitar brands. Why do these guitarists (Luke, Vai, Satch, Petrucci etc etc) stick to playing 'consumer products'?"

What the HELL is wrong with people!!?!?!?!?!
Needless to say I lit into him a bit.
DC

 

[Raz]

Man give me a name, and address and I'll have my goombas pay this dolt a visit

 

[tommyindelaware]

Sorry guys... I just gotta vent!
Some guy in another forum I visit posted this Comment:

"For the life of me I cannot understand why a player like Luke is playing EB/MM!?!? There are so many great builders and custom guitar brands. Why do these guitarists (Luke, Vai, Satch, Petrucci etc etc) stick to playing 'consumer products'?"

What the HELL is wrong with people!!?!?!?!?!
Needless to say I lit into him a bit.
DC

(spoken w/ my best forrest gump accent)
mabey the guy knows something luke, vai, petrucci, and the like don't. or .....mabey he's just ignorant. moma says you can't be mad at someone just cause their ignorant.............just ain't right..........
so be nice !!!!!!

 

[fogman]

Let me guess!
Young know it all punk that can't see beyond his/her nose!!!?

 

[Jimi D]

Maybe you should just point out to hime that not all 'consumer products' are created equal... and that maybe Steve Lukather, John Petrucci, Steve Morse and Albert Lee know enough about guitar to recognize a good one when they play it?

 

[fogman]

It's not like these guys have never played other guitars!
Albert Lee still plays more than just the EBMM anyways.

 

[SteveB]

No need to flame the guy on the other forum...

Just tell him to attempt to answer his own question..

yes, why DO those great players choose EB/MM? Well, try their instruments and find out for yourself!

I mean, not only do those players use EB/MM... they use off-the-shelf stock versions... the same ones available to you and me!

 

[ripley]

sounds like the kind of person who SWEARS that (for example) carl thompson basses are the BEST basses EVER created - when the only contact they ever had with one is a photo in a les claypool interview in Bass Player...

sonically, thompsons are pretty limited in my opinion, but since half of the people who preach the gospel of st. thompson have never even played one, they have no idea that it pretty much makes that one sound that you hear on all the primus albums.

another thing that people with that attitude dont' get is that someone like Vai probably makes more money off his Ibanez endorsement than he does off his own (personal) record sales (favored nations artist sales not withstanding).

we all know there's no comparison between the likes of Ibanez and MM. if dunces like this kid want to hunt down some random, custom builder that will charge him 4 grand for something he can get elsewhere for less, then that just means more mm's for us.

 

[francric]

Hell, that's like asking why someone would buy a consumer product like Harley Davidson with so many custom builders out there. DINGBAT!!!!!!!

 

[Raz]

No need to flame the guy on the other forum...

!

Sure there is

 

[deadringer]

I don't even bother with those people. Ernie Ball Musicman is a pretty elite club for "consumer" guitars. Guys like this just don't get it. They either haven't played one, can't look behind the hype of other companies, or just can't tell the difference. This is why when I see others using EB/MM I just kind of nod and wink and know that they do know the difference.

I always get a kick out of other guitar players I meet at gigs. The funny thing is, I can almost tell how good their tone is going to be by their reaction to my Pet. I've played several multi band gigs this summer and got to meet a lot of other guitar players from all sorts of genres. The guys that came up to me to talk about my Pet all had great tone on stage and knew all about EB/MM's. Those that "haven't even heard of them", or "don't they make strings" all had less than stellar rigs.

I'm not saying that custom builders can't make great guitars, they can. I just think that most people undervalue EB/MM. And have you noticed that three of the top EB endorsers (Luke, Pet, Morse) are also almost always mentioned when discussions of great tone come up? We're all just lucky to have discovered a little industry secret!

 

[rrhea]

...we all know there's no comparison between the likes of Ibanez and MM. if dunces like this kid want to hunt down some random, custom builder that will charge him 4 grand for something he can get elsewhere for less, then that just means more mm's for us.

For the most part, you are right. Ibanez build quality simply can't compare to EBMM. However, in defense of my JEM, I will say that for a Japanese production guitar they can be very good. Surprisingly I've not had to have anything done to it (usually Ibanez guitars need fret levels, nut work, etc.). Maybe I just got lucky and bought a good one, who knows? I'm a Vai fan, but never would have bought the guitar if it didn't play and sound as good as it does. Same goes for my JP.

But, in general, it does surprise me that so many people ignore the good builders in preference to crap like BC Rich, the cheaper crap Ibanezes, Shecter, etc.

Why would you buy a Gibson Les Paul when you could buy the far superior Heritage Les Paul for less money (anyone played one these? They are unreal!). Or a PRS (sorry), when you could get a Carvin CT that's just as nice with AAAAA quilted maple for far less?

Same with EB. Why buy a crappy Strat that is going to need a ton of work done to it to be playable when you can get a Silo that will blow it away?

I guess the answer is "designer label" syndrome and marketing. I can't figure out what else it could be. I'd rather get the same or better quality for less money so I can buy more guitars.

And ditto and the all custom thing. Carvin semi-customs are about the best thing going in that dept.

Ryan

 

[jimmyp]

Why would you buy a Gibson Les Paul when you could buy the far superior Heritage Les Paul for less money (anyone played one these? They are unreal!). Or a PRS (sorry), when you could get a Carvin CT that's just as nice with AAAAA quilted maple for far less?

Same with EB. Why buy a crappy Strat that is going to need a ton of work done to it to be playable when you can get a Silo that will blow it away?

I guess the answer is "designer label" syndrome and marketing. I can't figure out what else it could be. I'd rather get the same or better quality for less money so I can buy more guitars.


Ryan

Before I say anything, the fact that I post on this site and own 2 EBmms should make it fairly obvious that I think a lot of this company. However, I have a very nice silo special that plays great, looks great and sounds great. It doesn't sound like a strat however, and that is why I bought a Fender strat, which has the exact sound I want (although I am guilty of modifying it quite a bit).
Personally, I like Les Pauls and PRSs as well - I just bought a new PRS McCarty last week and it is a joy to play, and the top is a killer. I fully plan to replace my Les Paul I sold last year very shortly as nothing else sounds quite right (including the Heritage which are, as you say, very good).
I do take your point about designer label syndrome, but I tend to buy guitars based on what I like - a certain type of neck, look and sound. I also like to vary the type of guitars I play, as they tend to make me play a little differently (if I ever find one that makes me sound like Petrucci, I'll let you know). I know a lot of guys on this site are very happy to have x amount of EBMMs, and I do understand that, but that's not for me

 

[Norrin Radd]

I just think that most people undervalue EB/MM. And have you noticed that three of the top EB endorsers (Luke, Pet, Morse) are also almost always mentioned when discussions of great tone come up? We're all just lucky to have discovered a little industry secret!

I couldn't have agreed more! Well put, deadringer. BTW, who are you a deadringer for?

 

[Snake]

Sorry guys... I just gotta vent!
Some guy in another forum I visit posted this Comment:

"For the life of me I cannot understand why a player like Luke is playing EB/MM!?!? There are so many great builders and custom guitar brands. Why do these guitarists (Luke, Vai, Satch, Petrucci etc etc) stick to playing 'consumer products'?"

What the HELL is wrong with people!!?!?!?!?!
Needless to say I lit into him a bit.
DC

Here's a link you can post to that thread:

http://www.ebaumsworld.com/forumfun/gay2.jpg

 

[deadringer]

I couldn't have agreed more! Well put, deadringer. BTW, who are you a deadringer for?

Thanks! As for my name, many moons ago when I first got online I was in a cover band named The Dead Ringers. I started using deadringer as my log in back then for everything so I could remember it, and it well stuck...