Les paul or music man jp

[Spudmurphy]

Only when they're dropped, because of the angled headstock. They don't spontaneously break.

MMmmmmm - I never said that they break by themselves but the way the neck is cut from the blank they are very susceptible to breakage if they fall over not like some other makes of guitar. The Les Paul neck is one of those necks that breaks easily if they fall over - fact! Other makes are less prone to snap.
I see a Les Paul with a snapped neck in imy mates workshop frequently - and he has been building/repairing guitars since the late 70's.

I am not dissing Les Pauls - I've had one since '73, and will not sell it.

My LP neck just has a chunk out of it - I guess I'm one of the lucky ones!
Spud

 

[Spudmurphy]

& it stays in tune !!!!!!!!!!!!!
the headstock design on a les paul is very prone to strings sticking in the nut slots.

Yeah , and the gold plated machine heads wore out on mine after 2 years - we popped one, and the teeth on the cogs wore smooth!!

knucklehead? - no just an old Les Paul user - (thats me and the guitar!)

 

[Spudmurphy]

The best solution is to get a Les Paul AND an EBMM.

+1

 

[GWDavis28]

I traded an Ebony 2002 Gibson LP Standard for a White Sparkle JP6, last May.

Dude, I still can't believe that you sold that!!!!!

Glenn |B)

 

[edensdad]

JP - Better playing, more sonic versitility, unfinished faster neck, bigger frets, piezo option, better pickups, great tremolo, unique dual single coil middle switch position, better tuning stability, dual outputs, birds eye maple neck, locking tuners, yada, yada - best choice

LP - Nice maple top, mahogany body, history, distinctive well known sound, inconsistent quality control (lately). If I had unlimited money - I'd probably pick one up, but it's last on the list after about a dozen other guitars: Taylor 914ce, PRS 22-12, EBMM Y2d Morse, Ibanez JPM P1, Taylor 954ce, EBMM Axis, Bendetto Manhattan, etc.

>^..^<

 

[Adwex]

Yeah , and the gold plated machine heads wore out on mine after 2 years - we popped one, and the teeth on the cogs wore smooth!!

knucklehead? - no just an old Les Paul user - (thats me and the guitar!)

Hmmmmm, I don't understand that. How did it tune without teeth on the gear. Did you stop using Les Pauls because one of the tuning machines wore out? As I alluded to in my previous post, many loyal Les Paul guys change the crappy hardware because it is the guitar's body, neck, wood, design, construction, nitrocellulose laquer, and history that makes it a great instrument, not the tuning machines, or even the pickups. I'll be the first one to admit that I changed the bridge pup in mine 2 or 3 months after I got it, some guys buy new pickups when they buy the guitar. I'm also planning on changing the nut, and the pots and caps, and maybe the bridge too....but my tuning machines are fine after 2 1/2 years.

I'd respect you guys alot more if you stopped bashing an inherently fine instrument that has awesome tone, and practically defined the look and sound of rock-n-roll. What's next, you're gonna start bashing Marshalls because you have a 5150 or a Triple Rectifier? You can say whatever you want, but there are darned good reasons why many people have paid OVER $250,000 for a '59 Sunburst Les Paul. Even if it was faded and beat to crap, they still go for over $175k. The guitarist in my friend's band has one, he was offered 200k, and he refused to sell it, and I'm not making that up.

By the way, I've never heard anyone bash EBMM over at the Les Paul Forum, we're too busy bashing Gibson!

End of rant <flameproof suit on>.

 

[dannymusic]

les pauls are overrated

Yah, I dreamed of Les Pauls as a teen. I've went through plenty of axes since 1972. Truthfully, the JP6/piezo has me sold... as a humbucker guitar. I still love a good tele. And my Hamer Newport has a niche all it's own. But when I wanna get down and wicked, the JP has it under the hood where it counts. An LP feels very "sluggish" after getting used to a JP. The piezo is the best I've heard. the ergonomics of the guitar are superb. An LP feels like a boat anchor.

 

[Roubster]

I knew that this really wasnt the place to ask which to get. All I can say is like some others is that you gotta try both models or others as well for yourself. And like some others also said for the guys who are bashing LPs to stop I agree. I know everyone has their opinions on what gear they like and PREFER, but based on what you "prefer" you have no right to say that an instrument like a Gibson LP sucks or what not. If you think it sucks, then just keep that for yourselves and instead just compare like some others did to show this guy WHY you PREFER the JP or vice versa. I played a LP w/ EMG 81 and 85 in it and it sounded pretty killer through a Marshall JCM800, but I never actually played a JP yet and so what. For ME my slightly moded Silo and upcoming Luke will do just fine .

 

[Spudmurphy]

Adwex
I'm not out to flame you, I'm only talking having owned the same Les Paul for over 30 years.
Look the thread asked for an opinion on whether to get a LP or not.
I'm only giving the guy the benefit of my experience.
1) The gold plating wore off after a couple of years - hey you'll pay $175,000 dollars for that nowadays!!
2) Yes the machine heads wore out and I'm on my third set of 'heads now - the headstock has more holes than swiss cheese lol!
Infact my guitar building buddy (Mr Dearnaley) I think still has them knocking about if he has I'll take a snap of them and show you. - they had not worn totally smooth but there was A LOT of slippage in there due to premature wear.
3) When I bought the guitar from Orange in London it was king of the pile in those days -if you wanted a gutsy blues sound - there wasn't many models about that could do it. Nowadays there's plenty!
4)I am not disrespectfull of Gibson guitars - I have also had a '68 cherry SG, but their customer service has left a bit of a sour taste in my mouth. I will not get rid of the LP - it has gigged over many thousands of miles with me both in the UK and in Europe. But I don't play it so much nowadays - my style has changed.
5) Changing pickups ....ha! I put a third (Dimazio) one in, took it out, filled the cavity and had the front resprayed in celly. then picked up a 73 LP humbucker had it re routed and put ithe 3 rd pickup back in - I've played around with it let me tell ya!
6) Mines beat to crap - yer buddy wanna make me an offer ?


Les Pauls have their place in history - it's certainly a part of my history.
I am not bashing them just giving my opinion after owning one for 32 years. How long have you had one ?
Spud

 

[nocluejimbo]

How does the neck of the Silo 20th compare to a Petrucci or Axis? That tubular quilt top is killin' me!

It's been so long since I've played a Silo, and those are the only two I can find locally.

Anybody? Input would be greatly appreciated.

 

[kbaim]

And also, to be fair, things go wrong with EBMM instruments too.

Overall, eb quality is probably better.

I grew up on a strat. Les Pauls never really felt as comfortable. Too heavy and no contours.

I bought a LP studio in 2002 right before discovering Music Man Lukes. Sold the LP in 2004 for 2/3 of what I paid. No big whoop. I don't miss it mostly because I never played it enough to form a bond with it.

 

[NorM]

Anybody? Input would be greatly appreciated.

I am so looking forward to giving you exactly that review. All I need is a 20th anniv
SiLO. Soon as I can I will. Is there an ETA on when they will start shipping?

 

[Tim O'Sullivan]

I'm still using my Les Paul until my Luke arrives. I always practice stood up, you should try having a LP slung around you for 7 hours. I have to go to an osteopath to get my back re-aligned about 2-3 times a year.

I always wanted one, and when I got one, it put me in hospital because of the weight.

I would love to be a Les Paul player but I cant be. EBMM all the way!

 

[brsmith21]

As a Les Paul owner, I'll chime in. I've had 5 different ones over the years. The first one I had was an 84 and it was indeed a boat anchor. Sounded great for recording but was out of the question for gigging. The one I have now is a 2002 '58 Historic flametop that weighs about 8 and a half pounds and plays and sounds fantastic. I've played 4 hour gigs with it, no problem. Yes, the Historics are very expensive but this is one I never plan to get rid of. Hopefully one of my kids will get serious about playing and I'll leave it the them in my will. If it were a matter of a regular production LP, then I agree that quality control is a legitimate concern, as is weight.

Now, as I mentioned in another thread, I have never played an EBMM guitar (ducks). I have played a couple of basses and they are among my favorite out there. Our new bass player also plays guitar, and says she has an EBMM that she will bring to practice next weekend so I can try it out. I think she said it was an axis, but I could be mistaken about that. I'm looking forward to giving it a good workout. I've heard good things.

 

[Dakine]

OK,
well being an EB and LP owner I will chime in too
I always wanted a Les Paul from a kid.
So the first guitar I bought was a Les Paul Standrad in Ebony.
I adore the Les Paul! It is timeless, recogniseable, distinctive, unique tone. But it is NOT flawless. I have had a pro set-up done and now it plays wonderfully. I am going to change the pups to Bareknuckle Cold Sweats (but thats the sound I want, late Thin Lizzy Sykes era). The finish is delicate (nitro is very fragile). The neck is NOT delicate, the headstock, as many guitars, tilts back so if you drop it or leave it on a stand or worse still on a stand plugged in, well you are asking for trouble! The headstock will bear the weight upon gravity kicking in is all!
Now, I bought (first) a used EB MM Axis SS vintage trem. Do I prefer it to the LP? Right now YES. Why? Well the neck is sublime!!!!!!!!!!! Now I dare say the Zakk Wylde LP is nice as his neck is unfinished, but it is camo or bullseye,obviously a sig. model from this and VERY bloody $$$$$$$$$$$$. The EB stays in tune (but so does my LP). The EB is lighter, which is nice.
I will NOT sell my LP as it is history and MY childhood dream. But, due to it's worth and ultimate playability (am a beginner still here) the EB is winning right now easily. I do not STRESS I will bump the EB (I baby the LP so much as it cost me $$$$$), I adore the EB neck. The EB tone gets me where I wanna go. And basically the EB (at my point in playing) is just easier to play.
Is the EB better than the LP? I don't think so. Is the EB better than an LP "outta the box"? I reckon it def. is. Is the EB more consistant? Darn right, ya gotta play ALOT of LP's to find a "good" one. Is EB customer service better than Gibby? OMG, EB customer service is best I have EVER come across in 36 years on this planet cept USAA.
So, pay ya money and take ya pick.
Ultimate, buy one of each.

 

[zenmba]

I like all my guitars for different reasons.

The Les Paul has that terrific humbucker tone for blues, jazz and hard rock.
The Strat has that unique clean tone with its single coils good.
I like the Petrucci for metal stuff and find it the most versatile of my guitars as it has the vibrato and piezo option as well as ability to use humbuckers and single coil pups.

If choosing between an LP Custom and JP, I'd go with the JP for its versatility. Of course, it won't sound like an LP, but you'd buy the LP then!

 

[beej]

I can't believe this thread is still going. Is there really any more to say about this?

 

[NorM]

I don't think so.
And NorM ends another thread
Well except for that ^