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Spider Valve is an Excellent AMP

I have to differ with most of what is posted in this thread. I own the Spider Valve 212 and have at one time owned 10-15 other amps including Mesa, Fender, Peavey, Traynor, Line6 & Marshall. I still own 2 Marshalls, one is a 30Yr Limited Edition Anniversary. I have also played over 30 years and recently purchased the JP6 to go along with several other very nice guitars that I have decided to keep.

I had a little solid state line6 30 watt that i liked for a practice amp that i thought sounded pretty good at low volumes. The spider valve is not in the same class as the solid state line 6 amps that most people think of when they hear line 6.

The only thing I can tell you is this is the best all around amp I have owned. I can get it to do a lot of different sounds very easily and the distortion sounds are excellent. It does have a combination of digital effects in conjunction with a full tube amp. This amp is also very loud and unlike its solid state relatives sounds even better as you crank it up.

It has about 300 presets done by a variety of different artists, many of which are almost identical or designed to show off some strange effect they found. If you just go flip through a bunch of them then I can see how you could reach the conclusion that this amp is just another bunch of digital effects.

If you really want to see what it will do ignore the presets and use just the amp models without all the effects like you would any other tube amp. I believe if you go listen to this amp without prejudging it you will find that it in fact is a very good value for your money !
 

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I retract my statements, it's a killer amp. I was disappointed at the time that the Pod 2.0 models were used on it as I really like the XT and X3 series models like used on the Vetta.

Has anyone tried the new Bogner Alchemy amps? Supposedly these are made in Line6's factory with a lower price point, but all Bogner design.
 

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depending on how it is dialed in it can sound pretty good. a couple of guys who's opinions i respect have used them live and said they could easily gig with it.

but they did spend some time tweaking it and incorporating into there current rigs (effects, wdw systems)
 

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I retract my statements, it's a killer amp. I was disappointed at the time that the Pod 2.0 models were used on it as I really like the XT and X3 series models like used on the Vetta.

Has anyone tried the new Bogner Alchemy amps? Supposedly these are made in Line6's factory with a lower price point, but all Bogner design.

Lower price point?
The Alchemist's ive seen have been more expensive than the Spider Valve, or do u mean lower price point in comparision to Bogners??

Ultimately I'm still suspicious of it being a more "trendy" spider valve....
 

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Quite interesting how many ball players dabble in line6

2 weeks ago my marshall head blew up and I wasn't prepared to spend a lot to replace it as I don't play beyond my man cave right now.

I'm a real valve tonehound and after some tuition now appreciate the finer points of valve tone.

I wanted line6 as my kids are forever re-wiring my pedal board and I just wanted a plug in and go - no tone dial in..

The spider valve is OK - but as someone who's only played valve amps for the last 12-15 years I don't see it as a valve amp, and for me the valve tone didn't stand out...

So I kind of accepted that the valve option and line6 weren't going to meet - tranny amps have moved on!!!

The spider Jam and Spider III are excellent - and compliemented all my balls - especially the EMg's in my Luke.

But I ended up buying a Flextone III - it has the same amp models as the Vetta - and certainly in the UK they are giving them away right now - I think based on the RRP i got around £550 off - which in this climate is great!

The line6 is by no means a replacement for the vavle amp - and if you're looking for a live report - PM lum - he's got a 147 and plays some of the biggest biker festivals in the UK - so he'd know how good it is on stage.... but for home use- Spider III/Jam or Flextone for less than £250 - can't go wrong.

The valve is nice, but at that price point there's several other options, I don't know if Bogner and Line6 have gone their spereate ways as the new bogner is a valve amp with digital effects built in - sound familiar!?!

I'll be posting some flextone III footage soon with my balls on Facebook and Youtube so check it out.
 

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Lower price point?
The Alchemist's ive seen have been more expensive than the Spider Valve, or do u mean lower price point in comparision to Bogners??

Ultimately I'm still suspicious of it being a more "trendy" spider valve....

There's nothing Line6 about it really. I believe they partnered for manufacturing overseas. The cost of the Alchemist is at least half the cost of other Bogners which are way out of my league.
 

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Smelly, the new Bogner is pretty much a "modeled" amp and all the warranty work is done by Line6 and someone else pointed out that Line6 build them so it makes sense. I use my Podx3 at home and I love it.

I saw the Flextones goin cheep too, my mate bought one and offered me it in July but I hadnt played it and didnt know how much he wanted for it. In end it turns out after checkin his ebay it went for £130 or something. Id have took it at that price no problems dammit lol

I still fancy a Flextone altho ive yet to try one altho im sure its fine, be handy for jam nights etc...
 

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The problem when you test an amp is that you need to play loud in order to see if the amp sucks or not ...
At low level, the digital stuffs sound amazing, but when you play loud, most of the times it sucks.
I own some digital equipments (Digitech, Zoom, Boss ... the usual suspects). At home, you program nice sounds but when you go to the reheasal, well ... you suck big time.
At high volume the sound is flat. I don't know if it is the phase distorsion but at the end, I prefer a good tube amp with a clean sound and a few stompboxes.
Of course, if you just play at home or you do home recording, digital can be a good solution.
 

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No the Bogner Alchemist amps are not modelling amps:

6L6 class-AB power section and five-12AX7 preamp; selectable power section (40 or 20 watts)

Oh well, I'm just gonna have to go try one. Almost tax time you know. :)
 

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No the Bogner Alchemist amps are not modelling amps:

6L6 class-AB power section and five-12AX7 preamp; selectable power section (40 or 20 watts)

Oh well, I'm just gonna have to go try one. Almost tax time you know. :)

Yeah I know - I think it was the similarity between a company making a valve amp with inbuilt FX (digital) then going off and doing the same thing - but on it's own...

Try 'em for yourself, the only true way poeple know for sure!
 
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