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John Myung Bongo 4

locking tuners with floyd rose

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ignacior

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i would like to know if these two can be mixed or not, could the go together or is something useless. well thanks for any answer
 
Thought about it on an Axis, but was told by customer service that the back side screw is in a different location. So the locking tuners on an ASS will not fit as a direct replacement on an Axis. A new hole would need to be drilled for the screw. I didn't do it.
 
JMP2203 said:
if you are lazy go for it, is easier to change strings with looking tuners
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I'll admit that I'm lazy and that all my guitars have locking tuners (I have no Floyds). Besides that, I also think it's a benefit to have them due to the possibility of string slippage causing tuning problems if the string isn't wrapped up around the post "just right".
 
One reason I love EBMM so much is because of their selection of locking tuners. Incredibly stable and easy to string.
 
Locking tuners and a Floyd Rose trem could be used together. The configuration that would make sense is to have a graphite nut with locking tuners, and the Floyd. Locking tuners would do you no good if you had a Floyd nut. The only benefit to having a Floyd trem with locking tuners is that there would be no slippage of the ball end in the trem, as the string ends are locked into the bridge saddles. It would also add fine tuners at the bridge to tweak your tuning. It would be an unusual configuration, but not a useless one.
 
nobozos said:
Locking tuners and a Floyd Rose trem could be used together. The configuration that would make sense is to have a graphite nut with locking tuners, and the Floyd. Locking tuners would do you no good if you had a Floyd nut. The only benefit to having a Floyd trem with locking tuners is that there would be no slippage of the ball end in the trem, as the string ends are locked into the bridge saddles. It would also add fine tuners at the bridge to tweak your tuning. It would be an unusual configuration, but not a useless one.
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I think you're forgetting that the Floyd locking nut also serves to seat the strings in the nut. So the problem with the above set-up is that the strings wouldn't be necessarily be re-seated in the nut slots properly, if you should dive-bomb the Floyd to the point the strings slacken.
 
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PaoloGilberto said:
A friend of mine has a custom Carvin with locking tuners and FR.
I can not tell if it helps, but this was his choice :)
maybe a rational point of view is that you don't need locking tuners + locking nut...but everyone has his own preferences :p
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The only time it would be of any value is when the Floyd nut was unlocked. When locked, you can cut the strings off behind the nut with cutters, and the guitar will still be in tune and playable.
 
kneeoh said:
I think you're forgetting that the Floyd locking nut also serves to seat the strings in the nut. So the problem with the above set-up is that the strings wouldn't be necessarily be re-seated in the nut slots properly, if you should dive-bomb the Floyd to the point the strings slacken.
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So, why is that not a problem with a non-Floyd trem, like you would find on a Petrucci? It's not like a Floyd is going to slack the strings any more than any other trem.

I wouldn't recommend that setup, simply because I believe the Floyd Rose double locking tremolo is the best setup for tuning stability, when the Floyd is blocked ala the Axis. I'm not a big fan of a floating Floyd.
 
nobozos said:
So, why is that not a problem with a non-Floyd trem, like you would find on a Petrucci? It's not like a Floyd is going to slack the strings any more than any other trem.

I wouldn't recommend that setup, simply because I believe the Floyd Rose double locking tremolo is the best setup for tuning stability, when the Floyd is blocked ala the Axis. I'm not a big fan of a floating Floyd.
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The Floyd can certainly slacken the strings completely. In fact, long ago when the Floyd was introduced, salespeople used to demonstrate the ability to do just that, and come back into tune. Other trems, the JP trem included, can't slacken the strings to that degree.

I am with you... I don't like floating floyds... I'm not actually a fan of the double locking system in general but tolerate it on my Axis.

To get back to the original topic, having both the locking nut and locking tuners isn't necessary. The whole idea behind the locking nut is to negate string slippage at the nut, slippage caused by minute rotation of the tuning pegs during bending and heavy trem use, and slippage at the pegs. The locking tuners prevent string slippage at the pegs but don't account for slippage at the nut or minute rotation of the pegs so guitars set up like this, like the JP, still go out of tune easier than one with a double locking set-up.

I still prefer a guitar with the locking tuners because it can be fitted with a compensated nut, like all EBMM's are. I like the more accurate intonation all the way up the board and I feel it is a good trade off for slightly less tuning stability. I only use the trem sparingly so tuning stability isn't greatly effected for me.
 
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