Thanks again guys. I really appreciate this. I am probably going 609, sm57, Audix I5 and possibly a Beta 57. If there are others worth getting, please let me know and if those are not worth getting, please let me know. I hear good things about all 4 of those mics.
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PeteDuBaldo
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Terry,
Another mic to look at is the Audio Technica ATM29. It has a higher frequency response than the SM57, but the SM57 sounds brighter because of its personality. The ATM29 has the highs but doesn't sound "peaky" like an SM57 can. I've found it easier to record a better guitar sound with the ATM than the SM57.
Another mic to look at is the Audio Technica ATM29. It has a higher frequency response than the SM57, but the SM57 sounds brighter because of its personality. The ATM29 has the highs but doesn't sound "peaky" like an SM57 can. I've found it easier to record a better guitar sound with the ATM than the SM57.
OrangeChannel
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I use an iMac, Logic Pro, Presonus Firebox, and previous an m-audio fw410....
I'm going to upgrade to a Motu and a Core 2 Duo iMac shortly...so I can get some decent stuff firing...I had a G5 iMac and it fried itself...so in any event...the new ones run cooler, are more powerful, and you can easily do some great stuff in it. PT might be the "industry standard" in some peoples eyes, but it's lost alot of ground. Digital Performer and Logic are taking marketshare like crazy....
On Logic, Logic has everything you could need from soft synths to plug ins...good stuff.
As far as mics...I'm LOVING the sennheiser e609. DOPE.
As far as outboard pres and compressor...RNP and RNC. Awesome.
I'm going to upgrade to a Motu and a Core 2 Duo iMac shortly...so I can get some decent stuff firing...I had a G5 iMac and it fried itself...so in any event...the new ones run cooler, are more powerful, and you can easily do some great stuff in it. PT might be the "industry standard" in some peoples eyes, but it's lost alot of ground. Digital Performer and Logic are taking marketshare like crazy....
On Logic, Logic has everything you could need from soft synths to plug ins...good stuff.
As far as mics...I'm LOVING the sennheiser e609. DOPE.
As far as outboard pres and compressor...RNP and RNC. Awesome.
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SteveB
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+1 for giving these mics a whirl. I've used them for live gigs to mic my guitar cabs, but I haven't recorded with them yet. They do get a nice sound. I own SM57's so I just use those for recording.
Thanks Pete, I will check it out.
Thanks for the feedback, I really appreciate it.
frankiefingaz
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ProTools is definitely the way to go...!!!!
Strangeglow
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I like Logic, teach ProTools, and use Ableton Live for Live stuff.
The disadvantage of ProTools is that it requires an approved interface and that interface needs to be connected whenever the program is is use. As far as ease of use, I find that there are things I miss in each program when I switch between them.
Logic wins a lot because it can bounce a mix faster than real time. ProTools always bounces in real time. So dumping a 1 hr recording of a show takes an hour. Dumping the same show to both an AIFF and MP3 in Logic takes about 5 minutes, depending on the processing.
I have all three installed on a MacBook Pro with 3 gigs of ram. It's completely replaced my dual G5 for recording stuff. The nice side benefit it that it travels with me.
The disadvantage of ProTools is that it requires an approved interface and that interface needs to be connected whenever the program is is use. As far as ease of use, I find that there are things I miss in each program when I switch between them.
Logic wins a lot because it can bounce a mix faster than real time. ProTools always bounces in real time. So dumping a 1 hr recording of a show takes an hour. Dumping the same show to both an AIFF and MP3 in Logic takes about 5 minutes, depending on the processing.
I have all three installed on a MacBook Pro with 3 gigs of ram. It's completely replaced my dual G5 for recording stuff. The nice side benefit it that it travels with me.
I am leaning towards Logic for this reason. I want to get Intel dual 3.0 processors with 4 gigs or so.
germangallardo
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Yes you are on the right track Duolos however you are missing a secret, TEH BIGGESTEST SECRET TO RECORDIGNS..
And it can be yours, if you provide me with that intel you mentioned
Seriously:
I do not have messed with logic pro, but Id recommend a Mac Pro, its easy to expand thats why. I'd go with one of those.
Sorry Im not helping that much
Strangeglow
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Which is better is hard to answer for a number of reasons. ProTools used to be primarily the hardware. The software came bundled, but a large number of people used the TDM cards with whatever DAW they had. This, in fact, predates ProTools. Opcode's Studio Vision product was designed around combinging their excellent MIDI sequencer with Digidesign's 2 channel SoundTools card.
Later, as computers got faster, it was possible to do everything, or at least most things in software. Of course the companies not selling DAW software innovated more quickly in that direction.
When you talk about ProTools, it's important to separate out the HD systems and the LE systems. The former still use hardware. The latter are software only, with the exception of an approved interface. The HD systems are nice because they're predictable. Adding an extra MIDI track isn't going to suddenly make your mix not work. Also, the hardware was guaranteed to run in real time.
The software systems will be perform better on faster machines than slow machines. And they're getting faster all the time. Because they don't look their performance to realtime, you get faster than realtime bounces to disc. The downside is that you can add one track too many and have nothing play. And you have to deal with different interfaces having different quirks, etc.
The LE version of ProTools shares many of the quirks of the other software systems. It has the additional limitation that you can't bounce faster than real time.
The ProTools interface is very standard. You can sit down in front of any ProTools system, anywhere in the world and operate it once you learn things.
Logic is super configurable. If you take the time to customize the interface, you'll get work done faster than you dreamed possible. But it takes that extra time to learn.
ProTools seems to handle large audio session better. By long I mean greater than 1 hour. If you're chopping up live shows, you might have some extra work to do in Logic.
Logic Pro comes with a better collection of bundled plugins and softsynths. The Ultrabeat drum synth is very cool. The EX-24 sampler is also very standard. Logic will also run Audio Units plugins. There's a lot of nice free stuff floating around the nets. ProTools only runs their format plugins.
The best option, if you had the money is to get both. The mBox mini is something like $349 street and comes with ProTools LE. It's not the best interface in the world, but think of it as a dongle. ProTools will read and write AIFF/WAV files as does Logic. I use each program for their strengths. Having a copy of ProTools around means I can take a ProTools session from a client and dump it out to Logic
And do take a look at Ableton Live. It doesn't do sample editing as well as Logic or Protools, but the DAW features are getting to be pretty complete and it's an interesting new take on recording. I'm still wrapping my head around using it in the studio, but I've used it on stage for a couple of years now.
Later, as computers got faster, it was possible to do everything, or at least most things in software. Of course the companies not selling DAW software innovated more quickly in that direction.
When you talk about ProTools, it's important to separate out the HD systems and the LE systems. The former still use hardware. The latter are software only, with the exception of an approved interface. The HD systems are nice because they're predictable. Adding an extra MIDI track isn't going to suddenly make your mix not work. Also, the hardware was guaranteed to run in real time.
The software systems will be perform better on faster machines than slow machines. And they're getting faster all the time. Because they don't look their performance to realtime, you get faster than realtime bounces to disc. The downside is that you can add one track too many and have nothing play. And you have to deal with different interfaces having different quirks, etc.
The LE version of ProTools shares many of the quirks of the other software systems. It has the additional limitation that you can't bounce faster than real time.
The ProTools interface is very standard. You can sit down in front of any ProTools system, anywhere in the world and operate it once you learn things.
Logic is super configurable. If you take the time to customize the interface, you'll get work done faster than you dreamed possible. But it takes that extra time to learn.
ProTools seems to handle large audio session better. By long I mean greater than 1 hour. If you're chopping up live shows, you might have some extra work to do in Logic.
Logic Pro comes with a better collection of bundled plugins and softsynths. The Ultrabeat drum synth is very cool. The EX-24 sampler is also very standard. Logic will also run Audio Units plugins. There's a lot of nice free stuff floating around the nets. ProTools only runs their format plugins.
The best option, if you had the money is to get both. The mBox mini is something like $349 street and comes with ProTools LE. It's not the best interface in the world, but think of it as a dongle. ProTools will read and write AIFF/WAV files as does Logic. I use each program for their strengths. Having a copy of ProTools around means I can take a ProTools session from a client and dump it out to Logic
And do take a look at Ableton Live. It doesn't do sample editing as well as Logic or Protools, but the DAW features are getting to be pretty complete and it's an interesting new take on recording. I'm still wrapping my head around using it in the studio, but I've used it on stage for a couple of years now.
OrangeChannel
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Do it up dude...that's what I realized I bought some PTs to try some other shat, and I went right back to Logic. I'm confortable with it and there are some really great books out there written by a guy named Orren. I got the more "pro" based of the books and it's excellent. Gives a great backstory on how Logic came to be before Apple bought emagic.
On the G5 iMac tip....it went back this morning to the genius bar for them to look at...hopefully we can reach some sort of resolution on it soon...as in replacing it...but I understand it needs a third breakdown before that happens. I've got eyes on that 24 inch or at least the 20 since they're similar spec and you can get them clocked over 2.33ghz core 2 duo chips...plus the MB Pro has similar specs and I know guys that are running like 60 tracks of audio on them (w/ 3gb of ram...which you can also spec up on the new imacs...)...cool stuff.
If you really are just starting out into the world of computer recording, don't go out and blow a five figure sum just yet! You really need to see if you're going to enjoy and get it to work for you. Most Macs come with Garageband free and that's really a stripped out and friendly version of Logic. It's a terrific place to learn and the file types can be moved over to Logic should you decide to persevere.
I get so little time to actually sit down an play on the computer that I just kept it very basic. A Powerbook G4, a copy of Garageband 2 and a Line 6 Toneport. It works for me, and the whole set up is worth about $1000 at most.
I get so little time to actually sit down an play on the computer that I just kept it very basic. A Powerbook G4, a copy of Garageband 2 and a Line 6 Toneport. It works for me, and the whole set up is worth about $1000 at most.
OrangeChannel
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I'd agree with Ali on the learning curve w/ Garageband...it's a great thing...it's also a great scratchpad for quick demoing. I've done some cool stuff with that and some of my 3rd party AU plugins...fun as hell...it's also a great tool for people to utilize to learn midi programming. Get a m-audio radium or axiom midi controller too...it'll go a long way in getting your basslines and drum tracks out...
Very good information my friend. Thank you very very much.
I am for sure getting the new tower with 4 gigs and the dual 3.0 processors. Thanks for th ehads up on the books. I want to do it right and get into it proper.
Luiz Gustavo
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Try Audio Technica 4050.
They are one size fits all in mic world like Newmann U87.
They are one size fits all in mic world like Newmann U87.
