metal

[metal_terrorist]

I think the player has a lot to do with the overall sound. Put any of the models previously mentioned into the hands of a great metal player and it'll work.

They even work in the hands of not-so-great metal players ( ie - Me ). I could totally see myself thrashin some stuff on an Axis. I think if I had a Petrucci I'd be more inclined to make full use of it's diversity and prowess. I'd still play some Death and Nevermore on it of course.

 

[Dante]

am i the only one who thinks JP is not that great for metal? i'm more inclined to guess either a luke or a silo. i find the JP waaayyy to tame sounding.

but whatever the guitar, make sure it's white with " '84: year of the lightning " on it.

 

[leftyguitarblue]

am i the only one who thinks JP is not that great for metal? i'm more inclined to guess either a luke or a silo. i find the JP waaayyy to tame sounding.

but whatever the guitar, make sure it's white with " '84: year of the lightning " on it.

have you heard Dream Theater's "Dark Eternal Night" or the whole "Train of Thought" album? there is some heavy, dark, metal stuff going on there. Granted, it's not Meshuggah, but heavy nonetheless.

 

[whitestrat]

without doubt, an Albert Lee and a Fender Twin. All the metal tone you could ask for.

Rob, that's a heavy combo indeed...

After all, Yngwie does fine with a Strat on Marshalls ya? And Iron Maiden works well with Strats too! Single Coils rock!!!

P.S. Is this heavy enough for you? It's all strat single coil goodness through and through... SoundClick artist: Demioblue - page with MP3 music downloads Courtesy of Chris Kinman's Hank Marvin pickups...

 

[SteveB]

I'd say Axis or Sub-1 (if you can find one).

Both of them sound absolutely terrifying!

 

[fatoni]

im so mad i let a sub 1 slip by but i had no money. school is stupid

 

[fbecir]

After all, Yngwie does fine with a Strat on Marshalls ya? And Iron Maiden works well with Strats too! Single Coils rock!!!

In fact, Yngwie and Iron Maiden are using humbuckers (DiMarzio)
The DiMarzio Yngwie signature model is a humbucker where the coils are stacked (one coil on the other one). It looks like a single coil, but it's a humbucker.

 

[whitestrat]

In fact, Yngwie and Iron Maiden are using humbuckers (DiMarzio)
The DiMarzio Yngwie signature model is a humbucker where the coils are stacked (one coil on the other one). It looks like a single coil, but it's a humbucker.

Stacked coils it may be, but the thick sounds don't come from the fact that it uses a dummy coil, but mainly from the area covered under the strings. In fact a full sized humbucker has 2 coils in side by side positions which cancel off some frequencies off each other, and both use real coils, which tends to give a higher output. A dummy coil in a stacked humbucker technically wouldn't give that heavy a sound as a full sized humbucker.

As far as I know, it's more of a positional thing than a number of coil issue.

 

[beej]

Stacked humbuckers are humbuckers, just in a smaller form factor. The high output ones have two actual coils, same as their side-by-side humbucking brothers. The output and frequency range (more mids than balanced like in a single coil) comes from two coils in series.

The single coils with dummy coils are usually referred to as "noiseless" singles. A la Dimarzio Area, Bill Lawrence, Kinman, etc. The dummy coil is usually low winds and low output, just there to pick up hum (and not signal) which will be subtracted out.

 

[V_S]

Are you sure. I thought I read somewhere that the Maiden signature Strat has SD hot rails or something like that. Anyway.. these are humbuckers, too.

In fact, Yngwie and Iron Maiden are using humbuckers (DiMarzio)
The DiMarzio Yngwie signature model is a humbucker where the coils are stacked (one coil on the other one). It looks like a single coil, but it's a humbucker.

 

[73h Nils]

am i the only one who thinks JP is not that great for metal? i'm more inclined to guess either a luke or a silo. i find the JP waaayyy to tame sounding.

but whatever the guitar, make sure it's white with " '84: year of the lightning " on it.

Yes...Yes, you are.

 

[metal_terrorist]

I've got a few Lick Library DVD's on Metal playing and the dude is using a Petrucci 6 string. SO, it's been officially authorized as a metal guitar by the higher ups it would seem.

 

[MatrixAndyR]

Petrucci plays progressive METAL..... if he thinks its good enough to play metal, im sure its good enough for me to play metal with it...

 

[greenwizard]

I've got a few Lick Library DVD's on Metal playing and the dude is using a Petrucci 6 string. SO, it's been officially authorized as a metal guitar by the higher ups it would seem.

If you assume that the Lick Library guy is higher up than John Petrucci himself......
Other guitars may do metal,
But the JP is the only guitar that will melt metal....

 

[metal_terrorist]

If you assume that the Lick Library guy is higher up than John Petrucci himself......

Dude, thats heresey! I can't believe you even typed that out. You're gonna start an Obispo Inquisition!

 

[greenwizard]

^^
=)

 

[whitestrat]

Stacked humbuckers are humbuckers, just in a smaller form factor. The high output ones have two actual coils, same as their side-by-side humbucking brothers. The output and frequency range (more mids than balanced like in a single coil) comes from two coils in series.

The single coils with dummy coils are usually referred to as "noiseless" singles. A la Dimarzio Area, Bill Lawrence, Kinman, etc. The dummy coil is usually low winds and low output, just there to pick up hum (and not signal) which will be subtracted out.

But that's what I thought... Isn't the Yngwie HS-3 a dummy coil single? I don't mean squeezed single sized hums like the Cruiser or Fast Track. I'm referring to those with 6 poles.

However, stacked side by side or on top of each other, stil makes a difference in tone. I tried a Tonezone single in a strat, and it sucked... big mellow humbucker tone, and it didn't match the other 2 bright and plinky noiseless (SCN) singles. I don't know what Fender was thinking. So, in this case, is it the layout format, or the number of actual coils that gives the tonal difference?

 

[beej]

But that's what I thought... Isn't the Yngwie HS-3 a dummy coil single? I don't mean squeezed single sized hums like the Cruiser or Fast Track. I'm referring to those with 6 poles.

Actually I don't know about the HS-3. Looked at Dimarzio's site- it's hum cancelling, but they say it's louder than a single. Sort of a tradeoff with those- the second coil can add to the sound, or just be low output (like with the Areas).

However, stacked side by side or on top of each other, stil makes a difference in tone. I tried a Tonezone single in a strat, and it sucked... big mellow humbucker tone, and it didn't match the other 2 bright and plinky noiseless (SCN) singles. I don't know what Fender was thinking. So, in this case, is it the layout format, or the number of actual coils that gives the tonal difference?

Doesn't the Tone Zone want 500k pots? If the strat has 250k pots then the TZ's won't sound quite right.

I actually like the SCNs- they're a Bill Lawrence design and can sound quite good in the right guitar. That said I'm not really using any noiseless ones these days. (Though I did pick up a set of Dimarzio Areas second hand and may throw them in my Morse or something.)

But it's all a factor of design. Stacked singles can sound like 'buckers or singles. # of winds matter, wire gauge, magnet type.

 

[whitestrat]

Actually I don't know about the HS-3. Looked at Dimarzio's site- it's hum cancelling, but they say it's louder than a single. Sort of a tradeoff with those- the second coil can add to the sound, or just be low output (like with the Areas).


Doesn't the Tone Zone want 500k pots? If the strat has 250k pots then the TZ's won't sound quite right.

I actually like the SCNs- they're a Bill Lawrence design and can sound quite good in the right guitar. That said I'm not really using any noiseless ones these days. (Though I did pick up a set of Dimarzio Areas second hand and may throw them in my Morse or something.)

But it's all a factor of design. Stacked singles can sound like 'buckers or singles. # of winds matter, wire gauge, magnet type.

Hum cancelling on the HS3... sounds more like a dummy coil, because even Kinmans are only slightly louder than conventional singles, except the traditional series. If it were a full active hum, then It'd be A LOT louder. I've tried the HS3, and it sounds more like a single than a stacked full hum.

The SCNs are nice, but they need to be tweaked well. otherwise, they sound very dead. But they glowed in comparison to the TZ. It was 250k, which could explain why it sounded like that. Then again, back to my point of what on earth was Fender thinking????

 

[fatoni]

The JP is an evident choice. But the SUB is also a great metal axe. Besides, even the pickguard is metal !

i have a jp and im on the prowl for a sub 1. how does the neck compare?