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blueyedmule

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The first time I saw pics of SUB.. .hated 'em! :D That's my first disclaimer. I just didn't care for the package.

I was in a Guitar Center, had been up all night working the night before, and when I got off in the morning I decided to go snoop some basses on a Saturday. I tried many different basses out, then decided to try out a SUB. I tried it through a Gallien Krueger Backline 2x10 . . . hated it! But I usually am playing through 15's and I knew I liked the GK Backline 115, so I plugged into that. It was like night n' day. What sounded overly bright/snappy smoothed out through the 15. Also I began finding my way around the two band eq and found how to moderate the overly bright/clank that this bass can put out, and also to tease out all those snarly mid overtones, and to bring out the substantial low end this bass is capable of putting out. All of a sudden the weird black paint and diamond plate bumper/scratchguard started making more sense, fitting the character of the bass. This bass would drive a bad*** Camero and sport the nastiest mullet with pride! It would wear a six inch tall mohawk with swagger and peacock strut. I was definitely struck by the neck. As a '57 Precision reissue owner, many necks feel faster to me but many also feel too small. This neck struck just the right balance of feel/narrowness/thickness/flatness. Very nice, for me this is a fast neck. I find myself ripping off licks I don't get on my P with it's wider fretboard and string spacing. I did compare this bass briefly with the passive SUB. I much prefered the active and that's what I took home.

I've noticed some . .. .tension between the Stingray crowd and the SUB gang. I think if folks just allow the SUB to be what it is, it's a great bass at it's pricepoint. It's not a Stingray replica. If anything, it might be more of a vintage 'ray in a way with the slab body and 2 band eq. ..a little retro styling with industrial packaging. This is a workhorse bass, no doubt with punk/rock appeal. For me, I'm not offended by Stingray owners sayin' it's not a 'ray. They're right, it's not, it's a SUB and stands on it's own merits. And does so rather well, I think.

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kap49

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Great post and I agree with you 100%. I also hated it at first, but after picking it up and taking it out for a spin, all resistance was futile. Sure the pick ups are hot as hell and it looks like it wants to pick a fight with something. That's part of it's character and after some serious dialing in, this is exactly what I was looking for.

Live well,

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blueyedmule

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bovinehost said:
No tension here. I thought SUBs were a great idea. I've yet to play one, but I'll get around to it.

I don't see Stingray owners dropping their 'rays for SUBS. Pride of ownership seems to run pretty high in the 'ray community, and for good reason I suppose. It costs a pretty penny to buy into the joint, for one! And 'rays are great basses. Problem is, SUBs seem to me to be too high cost to be an "entry level" Stingray. That's the OLP, hands down. Guys who want a Stingray and can't afford them get an OLP. I think the SUB has a niche of it's own. It's an intermediate pricepoint, an odd market. . .perhaps they were looking for a "bridge purchase" between OLP basses and Stingrays? Personally I think they were shooting for an oldskool 'ray with barroom brawling good looks for us guys with money enough but too tight for a 'ray. :D

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I probably wouldn't off the old Stingrays to go 100% SUB, but if I found a SUB that spoke to me, I wouldn't hesitate one second to snap it up and add it to the little fambly here.

I agree with you about the OLP/SUB/Stingray price points. The OLPs make me a little queasy....but the SUBs, nah, no way, I think it's amazing that you can get a USA-made EB bass for that kind of money.
 
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