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Richie

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The "dummy" in question would be me.

I just bought my first EBMM bass (a SUB), on eBay. Yup, eBay, the cause *and* solution to all of a bass player's problems. I'd been wanting a MM for a long time.

Since there's no case in this deal, the seller wants to detach the neck for shipping. Seems like the right call. But I've never attached a neck before. I've owned 3 basses in my life, a Gibson Thunderbird, a Rickenbacher 4001, and an original Steinberger. Of course none of these have bolt on necks, so my experience is nil. But I'm not retarded either. If I were, I doubt I would've been able to spell Rickenbacher on the first try. So after searching and reading messages for the last hour, I wanted to ask you nice people a few specific questions.

I've been doing my own bass setups/adjustments since the late '70s, so I know my way around a bass, just not neck attaching. I also live close enough to Guitar Center that on a windy day I could hit it with a paper airplane, but I assume this is a simple operation and there's no need to get the authorities involved.

I'm hoping when I'm holding the body and neck in my hands, the "insert part A into slot B" section of my brain will kick in. But do I need to keep anything else in mind? Is it important to lie the bass flat on it's face to align the neck and body perfectly flat against each other, or is it better to keep the bass standing up straight to screw it back together? Is it possible to crack the wood during this process? You know, without a quart of whiskey involved. And will the bass just magically go back into it's perfect alignment when the 6 screws are back in place and tight (as if it were never seperated in the first place), or does there need to be any adjustment of any kind? Any help in this area will be *greatly* appreciated! Again.....dummy.

Also, I read in this forum to be careful not to "over-tighten" the screws. Well of course this is a somewhat relative term. I'm a small guy and not too strong. I'd assume (for me) I should tighten until I can't turn the screws anymore with almost all my force. Or should they be left so you could unscrew them again with just a little bit of force to start them off? I know this question may be a hard one to answer this way! "Use the same amount of force to remove a passed out 230 pound naked groupie from on top of you when you hear your wife's car pull up." But again, any helpful advice is most welcome. Please, be as specific and long-windy as you like.

And there's always Guitar Center....


Thanks for reading my question! I also appreciated all the past talk and links on pickguard replacement, another road I need to travel. I don't know what you guys see in Torts! Ecchh. I'd like to have one custom made. I think it'd be really funny to have a pickguard made for the SUB with a picture of *another* bass on it. Something ridiculous. Maybe that Kramer Flying V bass with the aluminum neck? Or maybe that picture of me my friend took when driving me home after having my wisdom teeth taken out. The possibilities are endless.
 

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Welcome, Richie!

It's not a good idea to detach the neck for shipping, especially if you don't know how to put it back on and set it up again. Basses can be shipped without a case -- just make sure that there is plenty of packing material used and that the bass doesn't move around in the box.

If you do want to get instructions on how to reattach the neck if the seller insists on detaching it, then call our repairs department at 805-544-7726.

Keep on posting!
-Beth
 

Richie

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Beth, while I've got your attention...

This eBay seller originally said he was going to send the bass without strings. This took me by surprise. Is he that hard up for cash? In your opion, is it a good idea or a bad idea (or neither) that a bass (attached neck to body) be shipped without strings? Or possibly with strings but loosened? I always thought you'd be looking for trouble screwing around with a bass without strings. But I've always thought a lot of things. What's the official Ernie Ball word on this? Thanks!
 

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There are only two reasons to remove a neck for shipping. One is because they are too cheap to pay for shipping the larger box. The other is because the neck is bad and they want to blame you when it won't set up right. Maybe I'm cynical, but shipping without strings and removing the neck sounds fishy to me. I've shipped about 10 guitars without cases. As long as it's packed well, it should be fine. As for installing the neck, it's pretty easy. Make sure that when you feed in the screws, the heel is flat against the neck pocket(no gap) and make sure that if it has shims(small pieces of plastic or paper that help align the neck) that they are installed in their original position. Feed the screws in by hand as far as you can. Then tighten until all of the screws are snug but not tight. Finally, tighten until you feel a hard stop using a crisscross pattern tightening oposite screws so you get even pressure. Once you feel the hard stop it is not necessary to tighten further. The neck's not going anywhere. None of this is critical. You should be able to just slap the neck on and it should be fine. Reattaching a neck should go to its original alignment. Installing a new neck for the first time is a little trickier.
 

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Richie said:
If I were, I doubt I would've been able to spell Rickenbacher on the first try.

Um...

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:D

While I personally wouldn't be afraid to do the removal/replacement of a neck (been there, done that, not rocket surgery), Beth's advice is prudent if you're not comfortable.

If you do need to reinstall, Sultra's instructions look right to me, but I'd add that when you're feeding the screws in by hand, take care not to cross-thread them, thereby stripping the holes. You'll be able to tell if you're doing it right...they should go in very easily (and straight) for at least a full turn or two before you start to feel real resistance.

Make sure you use the right size of screwdriver. As tight as you can get with one hand should be fine...don't use vise grips or anything like that to get more leverage.
 

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I echo the sentiments above. If I were shipping to Australia or some other place with size restrictions that would make it prohibitively expensive, then I'd consider removing the neck. Otherwise, within the US, there's really no reason (other than being cheap) to remove the neck.

Maybe the seller is just looking to save a few bucks, but if it were me as the buyer, I'd ask a few more questions about the process.

Putting a neck back on is pretty easy. Restringing the bass is of course simple. But what happens if you reassemble the bass and find problems? Who takes responsibility for it then?

Just my .02.

Jack
 

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My 2 cents:

The holes in the neck aren’t threaded. Only the body holes are. When replacing the neck (body and neck ballanced on your legs while seated), push the bolts down through the neck till they meet the body holes.

To avoid stripping threads in the body holes, rotate the bolts a ¼ turn (or so) anti-clockwise with moderate down-force of the driver. You'll hear a slight popping noise. The bolts are now seated in the body threads and avoids thread stripping. Cover the driver shaft with a rag, as you hold, it to prevent slippage.

Tighten the neck plate as you'd do when fitting the head to a car engine to avoid warpage. Tighten centre bolt, one side, and then the two outside bolts the other side. Go to other side and repeat.

When you retune, you may find that the strings are not centred over the neck and/or pickup magnets. Detune and loosen the bolts enough so that you can move the neck a little to either side and retighten before retuning.
 

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Richie said:
D'oh! After all these years I never realized the guitar shop sold me a cheap knockoff. Next thing you'll tell me my Steinburgher isn't 100% authentic.
:eek: :eek: :eek:
 

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Richie said:
Beth, while I've got your attention...

This eBay seller originally said he was going to send the bass without strings. This took me by surprise. Is he that hard up for cash? In your opion, is it a good idea or a bad idea (or neither) that a bass (attached neck to body) be shipped without strings? Or possibly with strings but loosened? I always thought you'd be looking for trouble screwing around with a bass without strings. But I've always thought a lot of things. What's the official Ernie Ball word on this? Thanks!


Hi Richie,

There's really no reason to send the bass without strings, unless he was going to detach the neck. An instrument without strings on it takes the tension off the neck and could create even further problems. I agree with sultrabass and Bovine when they say that there's only a couple of reasons why they would want to take the neck off -- to save on shipping and/or to cover up a problem with the neck. In this case, are you paying for shipping or is the seller?

If it were me looking for a new bass to buy, I'd look elsewhere. There's plenty of good deals out there.

-Beth
 

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Thanks Beth! He hasn't sent the bass yet, so I still have time to get these details worked out. As far as backing out the deal, that's probably not possible at this point. I'm paying $30 for shipping and $5 for insurance. I'll make sure I get my $30's money's worth.
 

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Richie,

I can ship a bass in a hardshell case from here to most spots in the USA for 35 dollars, insured and so on. Unless he's charging you for handling or some such thing....
 

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adouglas said:
Hmmm...maybe I should check my collection of instruments....I've got a Fendre, a Gibsen and a Gretch....

Now I'm all confused. My Bongo bass *IS* supposed to have a picture of Bongo, the drummer from The Mosquitoes from Gilligan's Island on it....right?
 

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I have a friend with three Rickenbachers. That was the original spelling. He has a Rickenbacher electro spannish, a Rickenbacher lapsteel, and a Rickenbacher mandolin. He also has a sweet Rickenbacker archtop.
 

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Richie said:
Thanks Beth! He hasn't sent the bass yet, so I still have time to get these details worked out. As far as backing out the deal, that's probably not possible at this point. I'm paying $30 for shipping and $5 for insurance. I'll make sure I get my $30's money's worth.
You've just clarified the whole thing. Shipping. You're paying for it. You pay the cost, you be the boss. Tell him to ship it intact, tuned up, ready to play. If there's some change to the cost, it can't be a whole $5 so just agree to the cost, but be the boss.

My house is full of *full length* empty bass cartons with shipping labels [incoming]. All these basses arrived intact. Only once did a seller [BassNW, very trustworthy, many deals with them] ever insist on shipping via air, b/c of less risky handling [apparently, flying gorillas are smaller or something...]. This bass is quite rare and BassNW pretty much REFUSED to ground ship it, but the surcharge was only $5, and that's with the neck in place.

Moral: It might cost another $5, but do it right or not at all. Your deal same as mine.
 

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Neck Attaching For Dummies Follow-Up

Thanks for all the advice guys (and gal)!

The seller has agreed to ship it intact and with the strings. I'm not sure English is his first language and there may have been some initial misinterpretation on my part. But it's coming intact and in about a week. I'm choosing to believe it's not a flawed bass coverup at all. Really, what other choice do I have? The PayPal was done before I ever came to this forum. I've printed out all the advice about neck attaching and will keep it with the bass in case it should come up in the future.

OHBOYOHBOYOHBOYOHBOY! I've been wanting a MM forever.

Here's my situation:
I've recently beaten a very long illness, one I had for 17 years. I gave up playing with bands about 15 years ago as I just didn't have the strength anymore. Needless to say it was the unhappiest time in my life. People like us just aren't meant not to make music with other musicians. I've got my health back and I have a LOT of catching up to do! I wish I played speed metal...I'd catch up much sooner. But a strange thing happened...in the 15 years I was away, my old basses had gone and become vintage collector's items. Didn't see that coming. I see what they're getting on eBay, and I just don't want to risk anything happening to them on stage. The singer of the band I'm joining likes to swing his microphone around, ala Roger Daltrey. I'd rather take an SM58 to the face than have it scratch my Thunderbird. Actually, he's right handed so it'll probably be to the back of my skull. "HELLO SUDS 'N BARF"......(crack). And besides, how much playing time will I get while in the big house on a voluntary manslaughter charge? Exactly. That's why I know a $400 "like new" SUB bass with a couple of dings is the right answer. Great bass, great sound, looks great, and it already has a couple of dings. I prefer buying a bass with dings...it takes the pressure off. Yes, I know "like new" and "couple of dings" is a bit of an oxymoron. Again, English isn't this guy's first language.

Next up...PayPal Charge Back For Dummies :)

Seacrest out.
 

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Hi Richie!

Wow, we're glad you're back and playing again. Godspeed in all of your musical endeavors, for sure. I assume that what you've gone through in the past 17 years makes mic-to-the-head injuries seem like a walk in the flower garden.

From what you say about your now vintage instruments, it sounds as though the SUB will be perfect for you. I am sure that if you hang out here long enough, the GAS (Gear Acquisition Syndrome) will get to you and you'll be wanting more! These forum guys are great, always willing to help and offer advice and not only that, there's a lot of EB/MM employees on here too. So, in the words of Koogs (I'll mail you a nickel asap, Koogs) "Welcome back to the addiction!"

Rock on,
-Beth
 

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Now Richie....it's mandatory that we see pictures of your bass when it arrives! :D

Congratulations on overcoming your illness & getting back into playing bass!! And welcome to the forum!
 
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