Big Poppa
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Ok its a rant on you tube and its affect on spontaneity
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Jack FFR1846
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You're definately right on this one. But it's not new. Heck....when I got married 24 years ago, we refused to have a vidiographer. Even in the mid 80's, we'd seen weddings getting ruined because the vid guy was way in everyone's face. Same with cam corders on vacations. Ok....you've recorded your family at the Grand Canyon....but only remember it yourself through the viewfinder. I guess I'm glad that my blackberry camera is total crap.....
beej
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It's both a blessing and a curse. Can't say I blame anyone for being cautious now that every minute is captured on YT ...
threeminutesboy
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so true 
brokenvail
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So sad. I like YouTube but what BP said is true. Mixes never sound good on there and none of the mindless people that sit there at home being judge jury and (you know that last part) ever keep in mind that cell phones and cheap little camcorders where not designed to properly capture those moments.
i guess it's the Yin and Yang of technology... you can't have the good without the bad and vice versa. it's the world we live in where people become keyboard warriors and self-righteous and feel that just because they went to a show they have rights to post their video footage.
I've been guitly of taking photos and videos at a concert; however, they were never published to youtube and used it merely as a reference to how the artist played that particular song only to review it and realize that the sound quality was awful and i got nothing from it to reference.
I've been guitly of taking photos and videos at a concert; however, they were never published to youtube and used it merely as a reference to how the artist played that particular song only to review it and realize that the sound quality was awful and i got nothing from it to reference.
Astrofreq
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Just like Myspace and Facebook, Youtube tapped into the narcissistic nature in everyone. Everyone wants to be someone or feel valued. Some people want to be a star. That's why American Idol is such a success, because it taps into this dream that millions of people have, that a regular joe could become someone.
Some people post concert clips and such online is so that people will give that person praise for posting that vid. I believe it has less to do with sharing that experience than "being 1st". The weirdest new thing on youtube is the people taping themselves LIP SYNCING a song in front of their webcam.
Some people post concert clips and such online is so that people will give that person praise for posting that vid. I believe it has less to do with sharing that experience than "being 1st". The weirdest new thing on youtube is the people taping themselves LIP SYNCING a song in front of their webcam.
guitfiddle
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So true BP, so true.
Spontaneity is going out the window because EVERYTHING is on record. I know of a couple of good local acts that use some samples now because their recorded versions can't be reproduced exactly the same in a live setting and they've been criticized hard online not for bad playing but for not sounding like the record. How sad is that?? I don't ever go to a concert to listen to samples.
At least the Aussies have it right. If you are gonna lip sync down under, it's illegal to sell tickets without informing the purchasers that the "artists" are lip syncing, music has been pre-recorded and they are not watching a live show. I really respect this law as a consumer.
Spontaneity is going out the window because EVERYTHING is on record. I know of a couple of good local acts that use some samples now because their recorded versions can't be reproduced exactly the same in a live setting and they've been criticized hard online not for bad playing but for not sounding like the record. How sad is that?? I don't ever go to a concert to listen to samples.
At least the Aussies have it right. If you are gonna lip sync down under, it's illegal to sell tickets without informing the purchasers that the "artists" are lip syncing, music has been pre-recorded and they are not watching a live show. I really respect this law as a consumer.
Marcus2
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It's too bad when recording reality for future reference and recollection compromises that actual experience, and hence our ability to recall it later.
When I was in college, my dad invited me and my best friend to go river rafting in the rocky mountains. The outfitter had us and another family out on the float. The other family needed to get everything on film.
We were floating down the river and the outfitter and I spotted an osprey sweeping down just feet before us to catch a fish. As it approached, we mentioned it for everyone in the raft to enjoy. So, my buddy, my dad, and I sat back and took it in. It was an awesome sight.
The other family scrambled for a camera, missed the event, missed the shot, and was angry.
The outfitter looked at us all and said, "Too bad, that would have been the cover of Field and Stream."
I laughed.
When I was in college, my dad invited me and my best friend to go river rafting in the rocky mountains. The outfitter had us and another family out on the float. The other family needed to get everything on film.
We were floating down the river and the outfitter and I spotted an osprey sweeping down just feet before us to catch a fish. As it approached, we mentioned it for everyone in the raft to enjoy. So, my buddy, my dad, and I sat back and took it in. It was an awesome sight.
The other family scrambled for a camera, missed the event, missed the shot, and was angry.
The outfitter looked at us all and said, "Too bad, that would have been the cover of Field and Stream."
I laughed.
Paul Warren
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Yep, this has become a big issue. I have to deal with it because almost every artist we've had says no to taping because of this very problem. They don't have a problem with playing in front of a camera. They have a problem with their performance being put out there for millions to see without them having a say as to whether they want it released. I think Paul Gilbert was the only one who said he didn't mind when he visited. But what was strange was that in our performance room you're never more than 18 feet away from the artist. So it's a very personal and cool experience. But there was this guy on the front row who taped the entire event and as a result had to pay more attention to his camera than Gilbert. What in the world? I saw it posted later on Youtube (the next day I think) and the audio quality was terrible because he was right in front of Gilbert's Marshall. So he sort of sacrificed that special moment of getting to be right there with this great player in front of him and all he has to show for it is some really bad audio. I don't know. I just don't get that at all.
This past summer Guthrie actually mouthed the words "no, no, no" to a guy when he held up his phone and started taping. We had asked for no taping, but yeah, you never know.
paul
This past summer Guthrie actually mouthed the words "no, no, no" to a guy when he held up his phone and started taping. We had asked for no taping, but yeah, you never know.
paul
jamminjim
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A sad state of affairs when the threat of being on camera and in the public eye gets in the way of artistic spontaneity and comraderie.
I don't know BP- maybe it's a good idea for artists, promoters, club owners, etc. to ask/require the public to either not bring cellphones and cameras to performances or bring in screening devices to detect them at the door.
Everywhere you go today it seems you are on camera. Whether private or public. Is it a good thing or a bad thing? I guess the only place for one to be truly in private is on their private property. (and even then there are cameras looking out you from above)
I don't know BP- maybe it's a good idea for artists, promoters, club owners, etc. to ask/require the public to either not bring cellphones and cameras to performances or bring in screening devices to detect them at the door.
Everywhere you go today it seems you are on camera. Whether private or public. Is it a good thing or a bad thing? I guess the only place for one to be truly in private is on their private property. (and even then there are cameras looking out you from above)
Sticky1973
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I really don't get people at gigs who stand and fidget all through the show with their phones and cameras.
I stood amongst so many brothers and sisters last year in sheer awe of Dream Theater once again, soaking up the view while drenched in the sound; basically immersed in the whole vibe of the gig.
Yet, there we had such an ever increasing selection of folk illuminating their faces like confused myopic technophobes fiddling with zooms, changing defaults, tapping screens............ basically missing out on that same vibe. Oblivious to it.
Soak it up. Keep the memories in the big grey SD card upstairs *tap tap*.
I stood amongst so many brothers and sisters last year in sheer awe of Dream Theater once again, soaking up the view while drenched in the sound; basically immersed in the whole vibe of the gig.
Yet, there we had such an ever increasing selection of folk illuminating their faces like confused myopic technophobes fiddling with zooms, changing defaults, tapping screens............ basically missing out on that same vibe. Oblivious to it.
Soak it up. Keep the memories in the big grey SD card upstairs *tap tap*.
bkrumme
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I love YouTube for the marketing value it adds. Any company can put together a video and post in on YouTube, then embed it in their website, post it on MySpace or Facebook, tweet about it, etc. I use it most often for product reviews and demos to give me an idea about a product I'm interested in. There are a few really funny vloggers out there with original ideas also.
For live performances, though, there's just something about buying a ticket, waiting in line, and seeing an artist up close and live. It's all about the memories to me. I want to remember the experience. You just don't get that with video, especially cheap video from a cellphone.
For live performances, though, there's just something about buying a ticket, waiting in line, and seeing an artist up close and live. It's all about the memories to me. I want to remember the experience. You just don't get that with video, especially cheap video from a cellphone.
Smellybum
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BP
who's your best friend....? let it be me let it be me!
I was really hung up on capturing media for a while now I can't be bothered, my eye ears and brain are the best recorders, if you want nostalgia that's what the DVD is for. 'on demand' is arrogance.
who's your best friend....? let it be me let it be me!
I was really hung up on capturing media for a while now I can't be bothered, my eye ears and brain are the best recorders, if you want nostalgia that's what the DVD is for. 'on demand' is arrogance.
patpark
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back in the old days (pre internet) we had to get our info from magazines and if we were lucky maybe catch don kirshners rock concert or snl on tv late at night to catch a performance from our fave artists.
nowadays you go to youtube and it's all right at your fingertips. the thing about the old days was if you heard a lick, you had to use your ears to figure it out. sometimes you didn't get the lick right, you created your own take on it and eventually created a style by trying to copy what you thought was the correct way to play it.
nowadays you go to youtube and it's all right at your fingertips. the thing about the old days was if you heard a lick, you had to use your ears to figure it out. sometimes you didn't get the lick right, you created your own take on it and eventually created a style by trying to copy what you thought was the correct way to play it.
kimonostereo
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I'll be the first to admit that I am a hypocrite when it comes to this topic. I agree with BP's thoughts, yet I wonder how many who have responded to this post, actually watch the amateur YouTube videos of their favorite artists that are posted there?
We probably all do, but I can't speak for everyone.
While I enjoy snapping a few shots, I don't take video because I always want to remember the main reason I am at a concert: to experience the artist. When I saw Luke at his birthday bash, I took a bunch of pics as it was my first time to ever see the man in concert... not to mention I flew in from Hawaii to be there.
Besides, holding up a video camera is a pain. A few photos are good enough to capture a moment for me.
We probably all do, but I can't speak for everyone.
While I enjoy snapping a few shots, I don't take video because I always want to remember the main reason I am at a concert: to experience the artist. When I saw Luke at his birthday bash, I took a bunch of pics as it was my first time to ever see the man in concert... not to mention I flew in from Hawaii to be there.
Besides, holding up a video camera is a pain. A few photos are good enough to capture a moment for me.
bkrumme
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You make a really good point.
I do watch videos of my favorite artists on YouTube. But I don't think it's hypocritical. As I said before, the video I might be watching doesn't create a memory for me. There's no experience to be had. For that, I need to be present at a live performance. To really know how that performance went, you have to be there. And in some cases, you have to be the performer.
I also don't typically comment on the videos because I know the quality isn't always so good. And that's not the fault of the artist, it's the fault of the person who took the video.
Sticky1973
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I might be in the minority here, but I HATE amatuer footage from phones and cameras.
Settle down for evening; glass of wine, feet up, DVD in the drive, fantastic.
YouTube footage of shaky-jerky-phone captures with the local accent heard above the performance? NO TA!
I love YouTube, don't get me wrong, but I avoid any footage from concerts.
ScoobySteve
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Good points, but if you've ever seen a band live (like DT) and then hear them with audio loss, compression, and filtering on Youtube, you really don't take it seriously at all. At least I don't. You don't need a trained ear to know something is disparagingly out of place.
Lots of sides to the double edged sword but in the end if Youtube ends up being the medium that helped someone find Albert Lee, Luke, JP, Steve, or any of the other EBMM artists then I'm glad. The inspired or touched person wont stop at youtube. Thats for sure.
I just think when its the other way around it causes problems.
Lots of sides to the double edged sword but in the end if Youtube ends up being the medium that helped someone find Albert Lee, Luke, JP, Steve, or any of the other EBMM artists then I'm glad. The inspired or touched person wont stop at youtube. Thats for sure.
I just think when its the other way around it causes problems.
paranoid70
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I haven't seen BPs blog yet, but I must say that I LOVE watching old concert footage or videos from the 70s and 80s, etc. Where else am I going to find Edgar Winter playing Frankenstein back in his prime?
