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Well, To make a long story short, I managed to my copy of Octavarium a little early. I have listened to it a few times already. I was actually toying with writing up a track by track review for you guys. However, I decided against it. I didn't want to ruin any surprises for you. So, instead, I thought I would simply post some observations about the album, without giving it all away.

Observation 1: I can officially state that there is no need to argue with anyone who proclaims this album as "too Muse influenced." Obviously, these mental midgets have never heard of Radiohead, Pink Floyd, Gabriel-era Genesis, or The Beatles. I will agree that there are a couple parts throughout the album where you can tell that they were influenced by The Muse. However, most of what people are writing off as "muse parts," are instead, an influence more reflective of the aformentioned bands. So, when you read comments that this album is all Muse, simply write them off as musically inferior and be done with it.

Observation 2: This album most definately rocks! Don't let all the negativity fool you. Here is an immediate analogy that I thought of upon listening to Octavarium and measuring it against Six Degrees and Train of Thought. Try to imagine running on a treadmill. Six Degrees would represent gradual build towards heaviness, much in the same way that a runner would build towards a full sprint. Now, Train of Though is that extreme. The full sprint. The pinnacle of heaviness and complexity, if you will. If this is the case, then surely, Octavarium is the cool down. The runner doesn't just stop dead, and neither does Octavarium. The heaviness is still there. The complexity is still there. However, there is a sense of musical relief. Octavarium gradually brings the listener down from the extremes of Train Of Thought.

Observation 3: There are more quiet parts. There ar more pop influenced ideas. Nowhere can that be seen then the U2/Police inspired "I Walk Beside you." And sure, John has taken a much more laid back approach. But, make no mistake, at the end of the day the listener is left with a well-produced, well-crafted, well-written, and extremely rewarding listen. And while there are many more lush, orchestrated, beautiful moments here, the Dream Theater we all know and love is still there. Dream Theater hasn't lost it one bit. And they certainly have not leveled the playing field. So, if you bring to the table and open mind, and are excited by the thought of change, then you are in for one hell of an awesome listen, and a fine edition to you're Dream Theater collection. I hope you guys find as much enjoyment as I have in the eigth Dream Theater installment. CHEERS TO OCTAVARIUM!
 
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I'm gonna pick it up on the way home from work and give it a fair chance - it's Dream Theater - IT WILL BE GREAT! :)
p.s. Just ordered my Gigantour tickets - 6 August Orlando Hard Rock Live
 

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Well-stated observations. I really wasn't too excited about Octivarium, and I wasn't planning on buying it (or downloading it). But after reading your thoughts, I think I'll spend the dough and give it a thorough listening.

I'm a HUGE fan of old Genesis. I keep "nursery crime", "selling england.." and "foxtrot" in my car pretty regularly.
 

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Simple as this!!!!!!!! I'm going to buy it because it is Dream Theater and John Petrucci, period. Do you really think they would put out something crappy!!!! I don't understand why people listen to music and have the need to associate influences. Listen to the music for what it is.
 

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jimmyp said:
I'm gonna pick it up on the way home from work and give it a fair chance - it's Dream Theater - IT WILL BE GREAT! :)
p.s. Just ordered my Gigantour tickets - 6 August Orlando Hard Rock Live

Why do I have to be out of the country when Gigantour comes to East Coast????!!!!!
Damn it! Oh well, I hope they will at least release a video after the tour. I know it's no substitution, but still better then nothing.
 

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SteveB said:
Well-stated observations. I really wasn't too excited about Octivarium, and I wasn't planning on buying it (or downloading it). But after reading your thoughts, I think I'll spend the dough and give it a thorough listening.

I'm a HUGE fan of old Genesis. I keep "nursery crime", "selling england.." and "foxtrot" in my car pretty regularly.

Yeah, I am a huge fan of Genesis, as well. The first half of the song "Octavarium" is really going to resonate with Genesis/Floyd fans. Like Pete said, "everyone should form their own personal opinion." If people like it then that is great. If the album does nothing for them, then that is cool, as well. However, those who are writing Octavarium off as a "Muse rip-off" are missing some deeper, and much more obvious influences.
 

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Had it since Thursday, like it...getting an actual CD today.

Follow the lead and buy it already, huh? :)
 

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I shall be buying it, although i've already heard it.

'These Walls'
'Panic Attack'
'Never Enough'
'Octavarium'

These tracks are amazing

'I Walk Beside You'

This one is not.

That is my review :)
 

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Just listening to it now - sounds pretty good so far, but DT albums are usually growers - I'll probably take a couple of weeks to really get into it. Once I strick it in my car changer, I'll really start to listen and enjoy
 

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Random Hero said:
'I Walk Beside You'

This one is not.

That is my review :)

It's a good song until it get's up to the U2 part, then it's "NEXT!!!!". I didn't buy this album to hear a U2 song, l bought it to hear Dream Theater. And... What's with Dream Theater reusing Vocal melodies and even lyrics, if any other band did this, they would get ripped a new asshole, but when DT do it, it's ak or something.

Scott.
 

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IWBY reminds me of To Live Forever...just in an updated form...it's a good tune....hummable. that's one of the great things about those guys....they can switch gears with aplomb...but to be honest the Muse references are about right at least for Never Enough (which is cool since Muse is one of my faves also ...) but it's just their way of paying a lil' tribute to a band they like...I also tend to believe that Muse doesn't sound like Radiohead...Bellemy is a better vocalist than Yorke (in technique) and if anything they sound like an amalgam of Jeff Buckley playing over RATM's rhythm section...which is cool...it's also the case that some passages in that track move the way Muse writes (a mixture of pentatonics and chromaticism...)...and the way they use vocal falsetto and some dirt on the vox...all in all it sounds a little more updated and varied in style...
 

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slukather said:
And... What's with Dream Theater reusing Vocal melodies and even lyrics, if any other band did this, they would get ripped a new asshole, but when DT do it, it's ak or something.

Scott.

If you're referring to The Root of All Evil....you'll notice it continues the Glass Prison and This Dying Soul...hence the coda's to those tracks in the mix, it ties them all together...listen to TDS, some passages from TGP show up...lyrically it's Portnoy's take on the 12 step program at AA. And don't diss...Rush did it alot with their trilogies...
 

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OrangeChannel said:
If you're referring to The Root of All Evil....you'll notice it continues the Glass Prison and This Dying Soul...hence the coda's to those tracks in the mix, it ties them all together...listen to TDS, some passages from TGP show up...lyrically it's Portnoy's take on the 12 step program at AA. And don't diss...Rush did it alot with their trilogies...

To be honest l don't really care how they try to justify reusing their own materal, l'm just starting to lose interest now, l was really looking forward to this album, and l'm really trying to get into it, but l don't know if l can.

But it just kind of accord to me, that ideas like "the glass prision/This Dying Soul/The Root Of All Evil" ideas have become more important than creating great music, it seems they focus more on that kind of "crap", l call it crap cause l find it tiring now.

Sorry if this sounds negative.

Scott.
 
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It's not a justification tho'man....that's the INTENT. Prog bands do things like that....repeating themes are cool...especially in this case, pretty sweet how themes pop back up...it;s an idea that harkens back to classical music, repeating themes happen all the time...to be honest...it's not like it's the whole track either so i don't know what you're griping about...and it's in a different key than the previous two...Like I said rush must suck too since for a long time there were pieces of a trilogy showing up on successive albums.
 
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Yeah l guess so, the start of The root of all evil rocking, great riffs, l hope one day l can sit down and listen to this album, and just think it's a rocking album, cause l love Six Degrees... TOT, well pretty much all DT albums, and would like this album to be up with those standards.

Scott.
 

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It's definitely up there with the other ones...that's what makes them great...however I did have a problem initially with FII, and that one ven grew on me...Some of the tones on this one are up there with JP's best recorded tones...the mix is cool too.
 

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OrangeChannel said:
It's definitely up there with the other ones...that's what makes them great...however I did have a problem initially with FII, and that one ven grew on me...Some of the tones on this one are up there with JP's best recorded tones...the mix is cool too.

I love the pings he added every now and then a la Randy Rhoads and Zakk Wylde. It was a nice touch to some of the riffs.

Scott.
 

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I don't know about anyone else, but when I heard "I want to feel your body........." I was like, "@%#@ YEAH!"
 
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