Yeah I have made some pretty big statements in the past regarding som eof opur models and I think that some blow it off as hype...At the time I said that the 20th was the best guitar we had made and I stick to that....I think that 25th is its equal if not a tad better but right now leaning on my amp is a 20th Same with the 30th stringray bass the best stingray we have made.