Roxy
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Thanks for the pro tips! This is the best forum.
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robelinda2
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Great rant!
Jedd Hughes is fantastic!
Jedd Hughes is fantastic!
beej
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Sterling, I'm a huge fan of yours. Successful in business, family and music (the fact that all three are so perfectly integrated in your life is what I admire most). I really appreciate the words of advice.
Danserrano
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Great advice Bp, thx.
Colin
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what a wonderful post, thanks BP
Psychicpet
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Amen!
Big Poppa
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How about soloing? How do you approach it? What do you think about? What is the reason for your solo?
Ok youv'eheard the Freddy King one note solo idea and the barrage of notes solo. But stop and think about what the solos are that you remember ...solos that are your favorites........
Break it down not from the note standpoint but the approach. Ninety percent of the time they are integral to the song or singer...Ive heard it best that you are speaking with your instrument...you stop to breath you make some points loudly and some softly. Dont just limit yourself to gutiar solos it is all the same...except for bass solos and drum solos they dont count in the value added dept.
I can hum some of the most effective solos therefore my favorite ones....
You would be suprised how much better you play if you have a plan. I cant tell you how many times I go into a club and if the guy is a shredder he plays a zillion notes takes two too many verses and uses the same effects patch for every solo.
A line I learned and apply in business is the same as soloing....."If you dont know where you are going, you will end up someplace else" Yogi Berra.
I am not telling you to plan your solos or go note for mote the same time but try to make what you are creating somehow relevant and mix the effects up.
While Im on my pet peeve how about the band that doesw 5 songs ina row in the same key? Or same tempo? Plan your sets much like you plan your approach to soloing.
Im done.
Ok youv'eheard the Freddy King one note solo idea and the barrage of notes solo. But stop and think about what the solos are that you remember ...solos that are your favorites........
Break it down not from the note standpoint but the approach. Ninety percent of the time they are integral to the song or singer...Ive heard it best that you are speaking with your instrument...you stop to breath you make some points loudly and some softly. Dont just limit yourself to gutiar solos it is all the same...except for bass solos and drum solos they dont count in the value added dept.
I can hum some of the most effective solos therefore my favorite ones....
You would be suprised how much better you play if you have a plan. I cant tell you how many times I go into a club and if the guy is a shredder he plays a zillion notes takes two too many verses and uses the same effects patch for every solo.
A line I learned and apply in business is the same as soloing....."If you dont know where you are going, you will end up someplace else" Yogi Berra.
I am not telling you to plan your solos or go note for mote the same time but try to make what you are creating somehow relevant and mix the effects up.
While Im on my pet peeve how about the band that doesw 5 songs ina row in the same key? Or same tempo? Plan your sets much like you plan your approach to soloing.
Im done.
Roxy
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My favorite solos to listen to are the ones I can sing or hum the melody. The solos that "speak" to me. B.B King, Jeff Beck, Satriani, Clapton, SRV, Randy Rhoads, EVH, and Carlton & Luke come to mind.
I like to study chord progressions, scales/modes, arpeggios, & licks and then jam over a loop.
I just attended a clinic by Liberty DeVitto (drummer, Billy Joel) and he stressed to the kids (Camp Jam summer camp 11-17 yrs; where I'm a guitar instructor):
1) Jam along to CDs/MP3s.
2) Know the lyrics to the songs whether you sing or not (so that you play accordingly with the correct feel and know what the song is about). (Liberty sings along as he plays although you can't hear him).
3) Create loops and experiment/improvise, etc. He looped sections of "Day Tripper," "Highway To Hell," & "Kasmir" and demonstrated a few grooves/feels. Then, the kids got to try.
I like to study chord progressions, scales/modes, arpeggios, & licks and then jam over a loop.
I just attended a clinic by Liberty DeVitto (drummer, Billy Joel) and he stressed to the kids (Camp Jam summer camp 11-17 yrs; where I'm a guitar instructor):
1) Jam along to CDs/MP3s.
2) Know the lyrics to the songs whether you sing or not (so that you play accordingly with the correct feel and know what the song is about). (Liberty sings along as he plays although you can't hear him).
3) Create loops and experiment/improvise, etc. He looped sections of "Day Tripper," "Highway To Hell," & "Kasmir" and demonstrated a few grooves/feels. Then, the kids got to try.
robelinda2
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Tunnel of Love- Dire Straits. Outtro solo is Knopfler's melodic playing at its best! I could hum it all day!
bovinehost
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Every single note Jeff Beck plays on "Cause We've Ended as Lovers" makes me want to cry and then laugh and then cry again and then eat chicken and then cry some more.
The solo Luke plays on "You Know I Won't Hold You Back Now" has ALWAYS stunned me, and it's not one of those blazing, zillion note things he can so easily do.
I used to play enough guitar to know a little about composition, but Luke and Jeff Beck have to be two of the most amazingly thoughtful soloists on earth.
Rob Fetters from the Bears and the Pyschodots is also one of the smartest soloists I've ever heard. First time I saw the Bears, I was a huge Adrian Belew fan but I walked out thinking, "Holy crap, that Fetters guy is GREAT."
The solo Luke plays on "You Know I Won't Hold You Back Now" has ALWAYS stunned me, and it's not one of those blazing, zillion note things he can so easily do.
I used to play enough guitar to know a little about composition, but Luke and Jeff Beck have to be two of the most amazingly thoughtful soloists on earth.
Rob Fetters from the Bears and the Pyschodots is also one of the smartest soloists I've ever heard. First time I saw the Bears, I was a huge Adrian Belew fan but I walked out thinking, "Holy crap, that Fetters guy is GREAT."
Eilif
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Amen! That's a weeping guitar if I ever heard one, and not gently either. It's a great--no, an integral--part of the song. It just oozes--make that bleeds--emotion. It's raw and goes straight to your gut.
It touches your soul. That's what good music does.
And that's one reason why Luke has been my favorite guitarist for over 25 years now.
And by the way, BP, thanks for the posts, the advice, the insight. Not a rant by any means.
It touches your soul. That's what good music does.
And that's one reason why Luke has been my favorite guitarist for over 25 years now.
And by the way, BP, thanks for the posts, the advice, the insight. Not a rant by any means.
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candid_x
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For the most part, guitar solos tend to bore me quickly. The only time they don't is when they actually "say" something, and of course what it says must have continuity with what the song says. Hendrix's rendition of "all along the watchtower" springs to mind. But that isn't even really a solo, it is an integral piece of the whole song.
The best solos are the ones that non-musicians can remember. Then you know it added something to the song which is an important part.
And it doesn´t matter what music that is.
Just my opinion.
Little story of my pre musician life:
As a 8 year old I
Went to italy with my grandma and hat a little radio where also could record on tape and I captured a very long guitar Solo on the radio and recorded it, but without the song around because the DJ faded out and didn´t say the title.
For the whole 2 weeks I listened to it over and over again and couldn´t stop listening to it. Drove my grandma nuts.
Went home and said to my pa: I recorded the best song in italy and he should listen to it and maybe we find out the artist.....
Long story short he heard 3 seconds, went to his records and handed me the double album "Eagles live" and said "Enjoy"
And after thirty years I still have the cassette I recorded in italy....can´t let go.
And it doesn´t matter what music that is.
Just my opinion.
Little story of my pre musician life:
As a 8 year old I
Went to italy with my grandma and hat a little radio where also could record on tape and I captured a very long guitar Solo on the radio and recorded it, but without the song around because the DJ faded out and didn´t say the title.
For the whole 2 weeks I listened to it over and over again and couldn´t stop listening to it. Drove my grandma nuts.
Went home and said to my pa: I recorded the best song in italy and he should listen to it and maybe we find out the artist.....
Long story short he heard 3 seconds, went to his records and handed me the double album "Eagles live" and said "Enjoy"
And after thirty years I still have the cassette I recorded in italy....can´t let go.
Here here! ABSOLUTELY! This is EXACTLY how I feel about soloing, and why so many of mine are horrible.
Seriously, though, that's why I like so much of Gilmour's work in PF. To me, he has some of the best feel out there. His solos are never overly technical, but they always add so much to the song...
Mike
KennethB
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[nomedia="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aQty-PzU6BE&mode=related&search="]YouTube - Broadcast Yourself.[/nomedia]
Now, this may not be "the best" version of this song. There are some flaws(+a sustain and tone robbing floyd rose
) and it's played differently than the original (classic) version.But it is live and you can see how the music touches the audience.
And it's got Paul Franklin on pedal steel!!
This is one of my very favorites!
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Spudmurphy
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Yes, yes, yes 100% I agree. (well apart from the eating chicken bit lol)
That Jeff Beck song including the solo is top class I still have it on vinyl which beats the crap out of the CD version.
You don't have to play a gadzillion notes per second.
In my daze
Kossoff was "The feel" exponent and made me want to cry when I listened to him just like Beck (above).Listen to Sonny Landreth too when he plays with Hiatt - yeah I know he lets rip sometimes but it's not like a shredding "lets rip" the fluidity is there but so is the feel.
OT
I wonder what the kids will be playing in the clubs in 30 years time - Allright Now or Smack my Bitch (scratch scratch
)
DT1607
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Great post, Totally agree.
brokenvail
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Thanks BP, you've given us a lot of food for thought!
