push/pull knob for standard JP6

[MusicManJP6]

I wouldn't dare try to do this type of surgery myself. I'm leaving it up to a guitar tech at a local store. I think i'll give it a shot and worst case, i'll have him pull it out and i'll be out a little money - but i'll know what it sounds like! It might sound REALLY good, and it might sound just OK. The notion of 6 tones out of one guitar is pretty cool though. My PRS with the McCarty switching sounded great, but they were noisy. They were noisy in humbucker mode too though, so....

 

[MusicManJP6]

The deed is done. I just dropped 'Misty' off at the music store. I went over what I wanted done to make sure we were both on the same page. I also was adamant about telling him to take good care of the finish coz I would hate if someone damaged the finish other than me. I've taken great care to keep it mint up to this point!

He said he should have it done by Friday......

AH! It's possible that Phazer can win the war still if it's not done by Saturday!

 

[Phazer]

HAhahahaha!!
Well, on thursday i'm booking my appointment for saturday, so we might have it done the same day.
just imagine how we'll feel though if it sounds like **** and we've been gassing so much for nothing.
hahahaha

 

[MusicManJP6]

just imagine how we'll feel though if it sounds like **** and we've been gassing so much for nothing.

I'll pretend I never read that. I don't want to jinx it!!

 

[peat]

cant wait to hear how it turns out

ive been meaning to do this for ages
from when the BFR first came out

never thought of having it so i could split the pickups in bridge and neck positions too, that would be great

 

[MusicManJP6]

Hey Phil (or any BFR owners) - How does the push/pull work on the BFRs? Does it allow for 3 positions of coil splits when pulled (like I am having done to mine) or just change the way it splits the middle position only?

 

[petruccirocks02]

Hey Phil (or any BFR owners) - How does the push/pull work on the BFRs? Does it allow for 3 positions of coil splits when pulled (like I am having done to mine) or just change the way it splits the middle position only?

Adam, on the BFR's the push/pull only affects the middle position. So what you're having done to yours will makes yours even more versatile .

-Phil

 

[MusicManJP6]

Thanks Phil! I thought that was what I had read about it... Just wanted to confirm.

 

[MusicManJP6]

With a little luck my guitar will be done today. I've got my fingers crossed!

 

[Phazer]

I'm waiting for the secretary to pass me over to the tech so I can ask him if he's free on saturday morning!

 

[Phazer]

Sh!t!!!!
he's finished the 500k pots
and anyway he would keep my guitar for 1 week...
so i'll go there on saturday because I need to go anyway, and if the pots have arrived i'll leave him the guitar and i'll pick it up the following week.

anyway the good news is that he said that it's toally possible, he's just got to check how to wire it so that i can also have the center position completely active, because if he just does the normal wireing, when I go in center position, event with pot pulled, nothing would happen, so he'll might have to rewire the whole guitar...

after hearing this i'm happy MusicMan JP6 is doing this first
let me know

 

[MusicManJP6]

Still waiting. I'm gonna call after work and check on the status. I am having some oral surgery done tomorrow morning, so I'm not sure if I'll be able to stop by and pick it up if it is done tomorrow or not - it depends on how I feel. I'm hoping worst case it will be done by Saturday and I can mosey on in and pick it up then.

I was hoping he'd get it knocked out by tonight though - BUT, I don't want to rush him by any means! Quality takes time...

EDIT: He's not even touched it yet...

 

[MusicManJP6]

so, my tech just called and said he only installed the pickup and left the wiring stock for now. he said he cannot wire the push/pull knob up to the stock 3-way switch because all pickups are wired to it. All he has in stock are the les paul type and i said NO to him installing that garbage on my EB! He also said he could get a 3-way switch like the stock one, but would have to order it and it would be expensive since it is a heavey-duty switch. big bummer. I at least have a D-Sonic installed now, but still no push/pull knob...

 

[peat]

any further news on this guys?

 

[whitestrat]

Correct me if I'm wrong, but those pickups are not designed for that function (not in performance or connection).

Both the pickups have the standard 4 wire connectors, meaning they can be individually split. Why would these pick ups not meant to be split? That's what the JP6 switch does isn't it? It's a 3 way, 4 pole switch, where the middle position is both humbuckers in split position?

 

[MusicManJP6]

In order for it to work, the stock switch would have to be replaced so I dropped the idea...

 

[whitestrat]

so, my tech just called and said he only installed the pickup and left the wiring stock for now. he said he cannot wire the push/pull knob up to the stock 3-way switch because all pickups are wired to it. All he has in stock are the les paul type and i said NO to him installing that garbage on my EB! He also said he could get a 3-way switch like the stock one, but would have to order it and it would be expensive since it is a heavey-duty switch. big bummer. I at least have a D-Sonic installed now, but still no push/pull knob...

Here's a solution. Try using the Joe Satriani guitar series wiring style by Ibanez. It's for both a treble bleed circuit, and a split coil option. here's the wiring diagram:

Needs some other changes though, but this system is really cool. I think this is EXACTLY what you're looking for... But I think you need to change all your pots and switches...

 

[MusicManJP6]

That would most likely work, but my main complaint was that I would have to replace the stock switch - I would still have to replace it AND both pots for the JS wiring option. I don't even know if it will sound that good to begin with so it's hard to replace the stock switch and pots to find out. Cool diagram though!

 

[whitestrat]

That would most likely work, but my main complaint was that I would have to replace the stock switch - I would still have to replace it AND both pots for the JS wiring option. I don't even know if it will sound that good to begin with so it's hard to replace the stock switch and pots to find out. Cool diagram though!

You don't know if it'll sound that good? Go to your nearest GC. Pick up a JS and fiddle with it. Nevermind that the guitar is really plasticky built and feels like a toy. The electronics on that thing are way cool, and sound really good. Trust me... This is one guitar where the electronics config was something that impressed me, if all else was a bit weakly built... (there was one guitar where the positions on the switch were reversed. pointing to neck = bridge pup... weak construction.)

I'd do that mod myself if I could get round to playing my JP6 again... I'm just too happy with my 20ths...

 

[beej]

Both the pickups have the standard 4 wire connectors, meaning they can be individually split. Why would these pick ups not meant to be split? That's what the JP6 switch does isn't it? It's a 3 way, 4 pole switch, where the middle position is both humbuckers in split position?

You are correct sir

In order for it to work, the stock switch would have to be replaced so I dropped the idea...

Not necessarily, but I see what he's saying. He's suggesting using a standard 3-way switch so you get both humbuckers together in the middle position and then pulling out the pot would give you split coils in brige or neck, or one coil from each in the middle position.

But you don't need to do it that way. I'm pretty sure you could also keep the stock 4PDT on/on/on switch and also add in a push/pull pot. It'd be a little tricky as using the standard approach of grounding each coil might give you no sound in the middle position, but there are a few options there. At some point I'll look at a wiring diagram for the JP and have a go.

But I'm not sure how good these p'ups are on their own. Most pickups don't really sound great when split and they'll pick up hum.