question about JP6 bridge

[sith]

Hi, I have a question about the JP6 bridge and number of sprigs... Since I haven't opened guitar yet and I don't have it here to check myself, I'd like to ask, Is it possible to put on additional 2 sprigs and would it result in stiffer bridge (harder to divebomb, easier to bend) more like a hardtail guitar feel ???
Thanx

 

[Crimson Sunset]

Standard it comes with 3 springs (I think). You can put 2 springs extra in it.
But you have to keep in mind that the tension of the springs must be equal to the tension of the strings.
So if you're using 3 springs at the moment, and your bridge is levelled, it won't stay levelled if you put 2 extra springs in it. The bridge will recess (right word?) into the body. You'll have to use a thicker string gauge as well.

 

[sith]

Maybe I could get away just with unscrewing the two screws (wonder how long they are?) in the back where sprigs are attached...

But , In theory, am I right on that first question?

 

[MusicManJP6]

In theory, yes, you can add more springs for harder to achieve dive bombs, but the added tension will make bends more difficult. You can always try it and see for yourself though! You should have gotten two more springs with your JP to add to the existing 3 that are on there from the factory...

 

[sith]

Yes, i tend to use provided springs..... strangely, I find hardtail guitars easier to bend on, also other strings stay in tune and that's what I'm trying to achive..

 

[Dizzy]

In theory, yes, you can add more springs for harder to achieve dive bombs, but the added tension will make bends more difficult....

You Fail.

A guitar with a "sloppy" / loose trem will have you bending considerably FURTHER to achieve the same pitch change (compared to a hardtail or stiff trem setup)

To achieve the correct pitch, the tension must be the same - no matter how many springs you have. (string gauge obviously unchanged)

Adding more springs provides the ability for the bridge to resist CHANGES in tension - you bend the string less to achieve the same pitch change because the bridge moves less.

HOWEVER - a trem with a slacker setup will also cause the strings to raise when bending, which makes it feel slightly different - especially in the upper frets - but you are definately doing more work.

So Sith, the theory in your initial post is correct
Obviously the trem-claw will need to be adjusted out (slackened) if adding springs.

 

[sith]

You Fail.

A guitar with a "sloppy" / loose trem will have you bending considerably FURTHER to achieve the same pitch change (compared to a hardtail or stiff trem setup)

To achieve the correct pitch, the tension must be the same - no matter how many springs you have. (string gauge obviously unchanged)

Adding more springs provides the ability for the bridge to resist CHANGES in tension - you bend the string less to achieve the same pitch change because the bridge moves less.

HOWEVER - a trem with a slacker setup will also cause the strings to raise when bending, which makes it feel slightly different - especially in the upper frets - but you are definately doing more work.

So Sith, the theory in your initial post is correct

That's what i was trying to say with limited english vocabulary
I'll try it at home and post results

thanx everybody

 

[Warthog]

Hey Sith..

You'll find out that the JP6 bridge with the 3 springs is pretty darn hard to make go out of tune. I've been lpaying mine for 6 months and using the whammy bar on a regular basis and everytime I take it out of the case, it is pretty much in tune... even when I flew from the US to Slovenia.

On a side note, PM me if you know of any good guitar stores in Slovenia... I am in the Rogaska Slatina area, but go to Ljubljana and Maribor on a regular basis.

The bridge on the JP6 Rocks!

 

[sith]

well folks, I did it... It's just as I excpected, now I can bend to higher pitches and bridge is a little stiffer... I like both so no compromise for me

Two screws in the back were only adjustments i had to make, could do it blindfolded

thanx again for comments

"may the Schwarz be with you"

 

[MusicManJP6]

Glad you got it figured out! My thinking was: more springs, harder to bend the string physically, but not as far to bend to hit the note... opposite with less springs... oh well - i fail! Glad you got it figured out...

 

[ruso]

I've been tossing around the idea of adding an extra spring or two to keep the bridge more stable when bending. To the OP, how does it feel now?

 

[sith]

It's better for bending, but there is one problem I wasn't aware of..... range of tremolo is reduced in upward direction, so I put it back to normal... beside that I really liked it...

 

[the24thfret]

I've played around with 2 and 4 spring combinations on Floyd-equipped guitars, and just can't like them. The original JP setup is perfect.

 

[Kevan]

To further confuse things....

Springs come in different lengths (strengths). I have them in my shop as Short, Medium, and Long.

Try to match up lengths for optimal trem "feel".

 

[sith]

well, I'll just let it be the way it came... it's still the best guitar I ever played