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ibanez2005
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He could probly play just enough to test his inventions, he relied on local musicians though to start with.
It was after Fender too and you got the name right.
Im sure he designed it but not %100.
It was after Fender too and you got the name right.
Im sure he designed it but not %100.
Big Poppa
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spencer there is a lot of history here check the search funtion....The Stingray was Leo's first instrument after selling Fender.
wraithwrider
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So after all that time with Fender Leo finally got it right.
Peter
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PocketGroove82
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it's funny how silly those early fender basses are setup. cause there was no electric bass technique developed yet...good thing over time things developed into more playable instruments
We might not be having this conversation if Leo didn't develop those silly early Fender basses. Certainly was a significant event for modern music. Not trying to be a smart a** here.
ibanez2005
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What would there be if there was no electric bass
high mileage
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We might not be having this conversation if Leo didn't develop those silly early Fender basses. Certainly was a significant event for modern music. Not trying to be a smart a** here.
+1 The electric bass as we know it is a pretty "new" instrument for being so mainstream. We're only going into our 56th year, folks - how long have drums been around?
From what I remember, Leo sold Fender to CBS in 1965 and had a 10 year non-compete clause. That means he couldn't be involved with the design or manufacture of guitars and basses for 10 years after he sold his company. The Stingray, his first bass with active electronics, came out in '76. I've heard that he didn't play, but I'd guess he could at least play a chord or two to see if what he was doing was even working. Just like how trying out a bass in a music store and with a live band are two different things, he'd have other people test them to make sure they really worked.
ibanez2005
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I like how Leo's first bass after leaving Fender pissed over everything they've ever made. Not knockin' Fender, just tellin' the truth.
Hutton
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Would this be THE truth or merely your own opinion.
ibanez2005
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Its whatever you want it to be
Hutton
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Good answer. It avoids the question, but a good answer nonetheless.
Big Poppa
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I cant for the life of me criticize any fender bass.....I may criticize how certain eras....cough cough are made but there is no way that modern music would be the same.
Please respect the past while cherishing today.
My 57 P Bass that My dad gave me in high school was a terrific bass that I still have (somewhere...Dudley?)
Early P's and j Basses tone were the platform for all of us to evolve from.
Please respect the past while cherishing today.
My 57 P Bass that My dad gave me in high school was a terrific bass that I still have (somewhere...Dudley?)
Early P's and j Basses tone were the platform for all of us to evolve from.
ibanez2005
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Never been a fan of the J bass, the necks too thin for me. But the P bass i like, tone wise though, standard passive basses dont seem to cut it for me any more but i love my old 77 Mustang bass that ive had for 13 years, its 6 years older than me
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Lets not turn this into an xbox versus playstation fight!
Hutton
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He shoots! He scores! And it well and truly lands in that famous nutshell.
No more needs to be said.
Strangeglow
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Wow... what a silly remark. As someone who's done engineering and product design for the past 25 years, I believe Leo Fender just did what came naturally. Had there not been a non-compete clause, his first non-Fender bass probably would have been very similar to what had been done at Fender. Because that's where his head was.
Instead, he had a long time to think, reflect, prototype, take the pulse of the industry and came up with something great. Even better, he was freed from the constraints that usually go along with introducing a new product or product line at a successful company.
Lets say we took the EBMM design team, told them they couldn't release a product for 10 years and that when they did it would be the first product for a new company. Think your're going to get a Stingray or even a Bongo? I doubt it. And not because they'd be trying to piss all over it.
For the record, everyone should realize what an exceptional product the Bongo is because it's so different from the rest of the EBMM line. Most companies find it very difficult to do something very different from what's selling now. It's one of the reasons I'll always treasure my time at Apple. In all the years there, I never heard "why can't you build something more like what we're selling today?"
jw
ibanez2005
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I meant the Stingray pissed over everything theyve made since, based on colour options it wipes the floor with what most companies have offered over the last 30 years.
The Stingray can do it all, with bells on.
The Stingray can do it all, with bells on.
Big Poppa
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THis isnt an xbox /360 fight.
This is making sure in your passion for today that you dont fail to recognize how we ALL got here. Ibanez Ive known for awhile that you were younger. That is truly great and Im not slagging you for it. ` From a 19 year olds perspective it may be hard to understand what I understand/. Can you imagine Leo with this bass that NOBODY wanted! It was a joke so was the Tele. Real Bass was fretless and stand up. It was so different that Leo didnt care...that is what serial entrepeneurs do ....He persisted and Rock and Roll and country eventually embraced it and he set the standard. Imagine now what bassists felt like when The Jazz Bass came out....WOW it was like High Definition Television. Because Fenders created and shaped the original sound they should never be disrespected.
I get a lot of credit for sticking to my guns and following my dream with the Bongo and silhouette and a few others but the resistance I got was nothing compared to what Leo Fender put up with. Now keep in mind my respect for Leo personally is much different than my respect for him as one of the worlds greatest innovators.
It is perfectly fine to not like them today or not have them be your pint of Guiness...but I kiss the ground they walked on because Leo's work paved the way for me to follow my lifes passion. ( Oh yeah dont forget all of the great songs that shaped music with the signature sounds of Joe Osborrn, James Jamerson, and Carol Kaye to name just a few...)
I am editing to add something..... next post...
This is making sure in your passion for today that you dont fail to recognize how we ALL got here. Ibanez Ive known for awhile that you were younger. That is truly great and Im not slagging you for it. ` From a 19 year olds perspective it may be hard to understand what I understand/. Can you imagine Leo with this bass that NOBODY wanted! It was a joke so was the Tele. Real Bass was fretless and stand up. It was so different that Leo didnt care...that is what serial entrepeneurs do ....He persisted and Rock and Roll and country eventually embraced it and he set the standard. Imagine now what bassists felt like when The Jazz Bass came out....WOW it was like High Definition Television. Because Fenders created and shaped the original sound they should never be disrespected.
I get a lot of credit for sticking to my guns and following my dream with the Bongo and silhouette and a few others but the resistance I got was nothing compared to what Leo Fender put up with. Now keep in mind my respect for Leo personally is much different than my respect for him as one of the worlds greatest innovators.
It is perfectly fine to not like them today or not have them be your pint of Guiness...but I kiss the ground they walked on because Leo's work paved the way for me to follow my lifes passion. ( Oh yeah dont forget all of the great songs that shaped music with the signature sounds of Joe Osborrn, James Jamerson, and Carol Kaye to name just a few...)
I am editing to add something..... next post...
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ibanez2005
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I aint being disrespectful to Fender, or maybe it sounds like i am and i dont mean to.
Ive got a shelf-ful of Fender books, all charting the history of nearly every guitar they have made, ive read them, understand where and why certain things have happened and respect that to the full. Leo even designed boats for god sake, what a guy.
There are those things in life that are down right classics, like the P & J bass, the Stingray, Strat, LP and the Futurama.
And then there is everything else.
One of my favorite songs of all time is Ill Be There, by the Four Tops, what a player and a great bassline.
Ive got a shelf-ful of Fender books, all charting the history of nearly every guitar they have made, ive read them, understand where and why certain things have happened and respect that to the full. Leo even designed boats for god sake, what a guy.
There are those things in life that are down right classics, like the P & J bass, the Stingray, Strat, LP and the Futurama
.And then there is everything else.
One of my favorite songs of all time is Ill Be There, by the Four Tops, what a player and a great bassline.
