Dante
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cuz i want a Y2D with a propper top... (not that MM tops suck or anything
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wired
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I think BFR production is supposed to be an ongoing thing. I'm sure they will change the color options from time to time & add different models to the list. It will probably continue as long as there's demand.
Dante
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oh... and when does the Y2D's ascendant cut it some celestial slack?
Dante
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(can't seem to be able to edit posts...)
like, my problem with the whole BFR thing is, everytime EB starts something new, every older model suffers with it. like, not keeping the ballance with it all. i know BFRs are (quite understandably) the fever of the moment. but has anyone stopped to think that future ASS owners will not be able to choose for a kick ass top? like silhouette owners gradually got less and less options with their silos?
i remember a senior member refering to maple grading systems as a marketting tool. that's what culling options and driving prices is to me. imho, we should still be able to order SSS silos. and maybe ebony fingerboards.
and a bookmatched maple slab costs like... cheap!
like, my problem with the whole BFR thing is, everytime EB starts something new, every older model suffers with it. like, not keeping the ballance with it all. i know BFRs are (quite understandably) the fever of the moment. but has anyone stopped to think that future ASS owners will not be able to choose for a kick ass top? like silhouette owners gradually got less and less options with their silos?
i remember a senior member refering to maple grading systems as a marketting tool. that's what culling options and driving prices is to me. imho, we should still be able to order SSS silos. and maybe ebony fingerboards.
and a bookmatched maple slab costs like... cheap!
wired
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Sorry, but I can't agree with you on this. I've seen many pics of Axis's with "standard" tops that look amazing. I don't think the lack of a "premium top" option means you're going to get a ****ty top, that's just not the case. As far as not offering SSS Silos, or ebony fretboards, those types of decisions are most likely based on demand.
For a small guitar manufacturer, EBMM does a pretty good job of covering all the bases. If you're looking for an SSS guitar, the Silo Special & Albert Lee are 2 great options, IMO.
Big Poppa
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wow dante
maybe some real info would help you...we make over 100k combos and everyonce in awhile we adjust...the silo sss isnt made because mobody bought it. SImple. Ebony is dificult to get and cracks and splits and has a memory that is not really good for our stuff. THe premium topped axis was an optiion 17 people took advantage last year and not worth the time and effort.
maple topped sil's just got made last year remember the 20th?
WHy does bfr hurt anything if we continue to make them?
maybe some real info would help you...we make over 100k combos and everyonce in awhile we adjust...the silo sss isnt made because mobody bought it. SImple. Ebony is dificult to get and cracks and splits and has a memory that is not really good for our stuff. THe premium topped axis was an optiion 17 people took advantage last year and not worth the time and effort.
maple topped sil's just got made last year remember the 20th?
WHy does bfr hurt anything if we continue to make them?
JeffreyB
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...I have a hunch that maybe the dealers weren't informing their customers about these premium tops...now that you don't offer them, people are asking for them. (that's the way it goes, I guess)...it's impossible to keep everyone happy all the time....but I have to say that EBMM does a better job than most.
I simply could not imagine having to make these decisions...
I simply could not imagine having to make these decisions...
Dante
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sorry for the outburst. as an end consumer i feel gangged up on. it's a mix of:
- the trademark protection law/act/whatever.
- dishonnest salespeople. (The Bass Connection Steve Morse Signature in het quilted maple. Zeer zeldzaam! Wordt niet meer gemaakt. Incusief case. Deep Purple Burst hebben.Uniek.) it's dutch btw. i'll leave translating to you.
- i've seen what used to be standard and newer standards.
- the freaking fact nobody speaks their mind here. those bashing EBMM outside this forum know themselves.
- why don't i ever have a fair chance of paying a fair price for a great guitar?
- but mostly: it's the first one.
- the trademark protection law/act/whatever.
- dishonnest salespeople. (The Bass Connection Steve Morse Signature in het quilted maple. Zeer zeldzaam! Wordt niet meer gemaakt. Incusief case. Deep Purple Burst hebben.Uniek.) it's dutch btw. i'll leave translating to you.
- i've seen what used to be standard and newer standards.
- the freaking fact nobody speaks their mind here. those bashing EBMM outside this forum know themselves.
- why don't i ever have a fair chance of paying a fair price for a great guitar?
- but mostly: it's the first one.
Dante
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(i don't think i'm gonna get banned for disagreeing...)
how much harder is it to glue and CNC a premium top? i guess you're right on the ebony. sounds like crap anyway. one the SSS i still don't agree. i can understand the concept of handling fee (like what you pay to have people spending time checking up on a custom request before shipping it) but most of this stuff was like "screw screw done" a few years ago. what happened to the people's custom shop?!?(that was a joke btw).
the silo was cool. but the tops sucked.
BFRs hurt my wallet for costing almost twice as much as an ASS with a premium top, and for making premium tops unnavailable to other models.
and i get my Mc Tasty with bakon and without onions nor tomato!
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kompressaur
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well I've had a sss 24 fret silo and and still own a sss 22 fret Silo Special and the special is the better guitar for that p/up arrangement . there's more space between each p/up and more tonal variation.
you cant blame ebmm for going 22 frets with the sss as there's a billion strat players out there used to a bigger body,22 frets and a vintage trem.(in the mid 90s when the Special first appeared the Silo 24F was hardtail or Floyd Rose only.
the 24 fret suits the HSH imo.
both guitars have different vibes and i like it like that
Komp
you cant blame ebmm for going 22 frets with the sss as there's a billion strat players out there used to a bigger body,22 frets and a vintage trem.(in the mid 90s when the Special first appeared the Silo 24F was hardtail or Floyd Rose only.
the 24 fret suits the HSH imo.
both guitars have different vibes and i like it like that
Komp
TNT
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Dante,
You seem to have some insight into the "guitar" world. But from a fellow forumite, you're only looking at it from a customers viewpoint (without having all the information or knowing all that goes on BEHIND the scene.)
If however, you made a huge invest of money and time in a guitar manufacturing plant; ran it for a few years; it's guaranteed your perspective on everything you've said WILL CHANGE!!!
Companies make decisions based on FAR more knowledge than is available to customers.
Enjoy the product!!!
You seem to have some insight into the "guitar" world. But from a fellow forumite, you're only looking at it from a customers viewpoint (without having all the information or knowing all that goes on BEHIND the scene.)
If however, you made a huge invest of money and time in a guitar manufacturing plant; ran it for a few years; it's guaranteed your perspective on everything you've said WILL CHANGE!!!
Companies make decisions based on FAR more knowledge than is available to customers.
Enjoy the product!!!
Big Poppa
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Dante
You use a clever mix of anger humor and lack of knowledge and roll it into a language barrier.
The comment regarding criticism here from other forums is a cheap shot. Your first comment states as fact that you cannot get a good top on a Y2D.....Hmm nice intro. Please show me a picture of a sub standard Y2D. YOu also state categorically that the BFR has caused a decline in our regular production....this is un fair and untrue.
Please dont tell me Im wrong that people didnt order the sss silo...I love making guitars...I love that guitar...do you think im being arbitrary and blindly discontinuing models to punish people? Or would common sense tell you that it was not cost effective to still offer it?
If you have a specific instance of our company being dishonest or misleading please let me know but you have come here and said some really strong accusations and expect the answer to be " Thanks you sir, Ill have another one"
If we get signifigant dmand for a sss silo we will make them again.
We have plans to make silos in bfr configuration but if you didnt like the 20th tops you will be unhappy there too.
I try not to eat at mcdonalds since seeing supersize me......
have fun and lighten up and you may get a better reaction!
You use a clever mix of anger humor and lack of knowledge and roll it into a language barrier.
The comment regarding criticism here from other forums is a cheap shot. Your first comment states as fact that you cannot get a good top on a Y2D.....Hmm nice intro. Please show me a picture of a sub standard Y2D. YOu also state categorically that the BFR has caused a decline in our regular production....this is un fair and untrue.
Please dont tell me Im wrong that people didnt order the sss silo...I love making guitars...I love that guitar...do you think im being arbitrary and blindly discontinuing models to punish people? Or would common sense tell you that it was not cost effective to still offer it?
If you have a specific instance of our company being dishonest or misleading please let me know but you have come here and said some really strong accusations and expect the answer to be " Thanks you sir, Ill have another one"
If we get signifigant dmand for a sss silo we will make them again.
We have plans to make silos in bfr configuration but if you didnt like the 20th tops you will be unhappy there too.
I try not to eat at mcdonalds since seeing supersize me......
have fun and lighten up and you may get a better reaction!
BFR SiLO YES!!
That means I'm gonna get another guitar. crud I don't have time to play the ones I have. HMMMMMMM guess I just need to make more time. There, problem solved.
But I love the tops on my 20th SiLOs. Guess I will be happy there too.
BFR SiLO? I wonder if that means tone block maple top BFR colors inlay. No No NO I don't think it has to mean that. BFR just means it's gonna be f'ing cool. (and I don't even know what cool is. There is emperical data to back that up)
I thought Supersize Me was Very enlightening.
I am proud and scared to say I agree with BP on the preminum top issue.
Dante
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ok, i'll keep the anger in check to explain this:
this year i spent 5150 euros on guitars. i got a LP std, and Am Dlx strat and last (when i actually started doubting i wanted it), a little piece of heaven, the JP6. last week i hurt myself with the bulkier of the three (i worsened some RSI i got from work) and decided i'd better stick with my choice for a thinner neck. since i want a TOM bridged guitar as well as a tremolo one, selling all my junk to fund a Y2D seemed the way to go. but i'm a victim of specific tastes. i can't really buy a guitar without touching it or at the very least, testing the same model before ordering. but specific taste cover the choice of top as well. you know how much guitars cost here(benelux). and then there begins the money issue.
not like anyone stocks 60 MM six strings for me to see and choose from.
...and now i understand it... if the one i see before me doesn't please me, "them there tops suck".
this year i spent 5150 euros on guitars. i got a LP std, and Am Dlx strat and last (when i actually started doubting i wanted it), a little piece of heaven, the JP6. last week i hurt myself with the bulkier of the three (i worsened some RSI i got from work) and decided i'd better stick with my choice for a thinner neck. since i want a TOM bridged guitar as well as a tremolo one, selling all my junk to fund a Y2D seemed the way to go. but i'm a victim of specific tastes. i can't really buy a guitar without touching it or at the very least, testing the same model before ordering. but specific taste cover the choice of top as well. you know how much guitars cost here(benelux). and then there begins the money issue.
not like anyone stocks 60 MM six strings for me to see and choose from.
...and now i understand it... if the one i see before me doesn't please me, "them there tops suck".
THE_EB_KID
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Wow...
Dargin
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FYI 20th Silo's were available with the premium top up charge. We've also found when you charge extra for a top instead of having it in the base retail price the customer is much more prone to not like the top. Low sales numbers and headaches generally lead to discontinued models/features. We are buying the same wood for the standard models too. If anything you now have a better chance at receiving a bomb top on an Axis, Y2D, ect since we started doing BFR's as we have way more inventory which we sprinkle into production. A batch just went through the other week that was mind blowing.
Dante
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now THAT i didn't know. i always thought the more cash you blew the more you'd... wait... no, i actually don't...
so, you've never really went sodeep into searching for tops as when you needed to justify why a BFR is a BFR..?
it's so hard y'know, not knowing what you're buying.
so, you've never really went sodeep into searching for tops as when you needed to justify why a BFR is a BFR..?
it's so hard y'know, not knowing what you're buying.
Big Poppa
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a bfr isnt necessarily maple top it can be anything that we want to do that normally wouldnt see the light of a retail store...
Dizzy
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