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Jawshco

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Hey everyone! I'm new to the board, and just wanting to chime in on something that's been bugging me for a while. I have a MM Stingray 3 frequency that I bought about 4 years ago, and I'm struggling with the amount of clanking noise that I'm getting when I slap and finger pick. I've actually resorted to using the dreaded plectrum to get a smoother tone. I absolutely love the tone of this bass guitar, it's far better than any I've owned before, but this one thing seems to really drive my band crazy. My drummer says all he can hear from my bass out of his monitor is clanking metal. I am not a newbie player who is really rough on the strings, but I'll admit that when the fast climax of the song hits I probably start thumping a little more than usual, but nothing that extreme. I've seen some pretty extreme thumpers play very agressively and not have the clanking noise I'm getting. I saw the dude from Dio actually punch his bass, and it sounded great.

I've never had this problem with any of my other basses before (Ibenez SG, and X series, Gibson SG and a Peavey). I don't know if it's more me than the bass, but it only seems to happen with my Stingray. I was actaully watching the Flea instructional video with a friend of mine and he was playing a Stingray and was getting that same noise I'm talking about. My friend (who is professional bassist who plays for Sammy Hagar) was commenting on how bad the bass sounded on the video, and was asking me if I sounded like that too. I, of course am totally in love with the Stingray sound (other than the noise) so I lied and said- No way, my Stingray rocks! But I really don't think my playing is 100% of the problem.

Does anyone else struggle with this? Does anyone have any helpful suggestions?
I have tried different strings (eek, stay away from the steel!), and have even tried some adjustments to the truss rod and saddle. Could something be wrong with the bass? Open string slapping sounds great, but slapping say on the 2 fret of the E string (usually F# in standard tuning) just sounds like noise to me. Oddly enough this is the only problem that I have with the SR. Some say that they get a weak sound out of the D & G strings as compared to the E & A strings. For me the opposite is true. I find the Stingray to be much more well balanced than any of the other basses I've played. I get great volume and tone all the way across the fretboard. This bass would be perfect if it weren't for the "clanking noise."

On a side note, I tried out a Bongo recently at the local Guitar Center, and I'm sooooo in love! That thing can sound just like the Stingray, but I find it to be a little more comfortable on the low frets, and the "noise" I'm referring to with Stingray isn't there at all when I'm playing the Bongo. I love the SR, but I'd drop it in a second if I could afford the Bongo. Every time I pass the music store I stare at it and say, "You will be mine, oh yess... you will be mine."
 

Figjam

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hard to tell without having the bass in hand but you should definitely check to make sure there is enough relief in the neck, the pickup is not too close to the strings, the treble is not turned up too much...

other than that its a technique thing that can be fixed with practice.
 

rhythmCity944

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sounds like the action is too low from my experience. unless you are hitting the strings like steve harris of Iron Maidem:p...i say if you trust yourself to set up your bass, go to the FAQ on the ernie ball website and get the measurments you need otherwise go to a pro to get the bass set up...also the active electronics are way sensitive on a stingray, use in moderation:)...but still hard to tell without the bass in hand
 

Jawshco

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Yeah, I was thinking that maybe it's setup wrong. I'll check the measurements with the FAQ, but I think that neck relief is okay. I'll try going a little higher with the action. I've actually tried this before, but I probably did dig the feel of it. :p

I do think that the active electronics also play a role in the noise. I get the trouble more through our sound board and monitors than I do my amp. Also, it's weird...when I plug directly into my Fostex portable studio recorder I don't get any noise at all, but the overall sound is also a little weird too. And the room I play in also affects the tone. I don't hear the harsh noise in a carpeted room the same way I hear it in a room with wooden stage and glossy painted wooden walls.

Oh, and to clarify- this isn't fret buzz. It's the clanking noise. And no I don't thump my strings like Steve Harris or Gezzer Butler, but I have had some one mention that before. They told me those guys make it part of their sound, and they do , but I don't really think it fits what I do. Any way, if you're wondering what I'm talking about go to YouTube and watch the Flea instructional videos. He's getting the same exact clank in those videos that I'm talking about.

Out of curiosity, does anyone know how much it would cost to have someone at EBMM take a look at my bass? I don't live too far from San Luis Obispo. It's probably a 3 hour drive at the most.

Thanks again,

-Jawsh.
 

oli@bass

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Any way, if you're wondering what I'm talking about go to YouTube and watch the Flea instructional videos. He's getting the same exact clank in those videos that I'm talking about.

I just checked some of the videos and couldn't hear anything abnormal. Please give a link to a video and maybe the time in the video where we can hear what you're talking about.
 

Figjam

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I watched the Flea videos and also didnt really notice anything besides the noise you get when you play aggressively.
 

Jawshco

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LOL! Well, maybe I'm just being too pick then. His bass does sound better than mine, but then again he's Flea. I can the noise, but the awesome playing seems to over shadow it. You actually hear it when he's sitting with River...it's mixed out somehow when he's jamming with Chad.

I can't find it on YouTube, but his punk lesson is the really noisy one, but I thought this video would be the most appropriate for this board. He introduces his Stingray:

[ame="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QpUvgcIVPzY&feature=related"]YouTube - 03 - Flea - Master Sessions[/ame]
 

oli@bass

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OK, then I think it's just normal and a combination of low action, hard playing and too much treble in the EQ. The StingRay is really bright already if the treble is in the center position. Also a lot of bass amps enhance treble to make the bass sound more "clear", thus making the sound of already bright basses overly clanky.
 
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